Senator Bob Graham and 9/11

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Exposing the facts and the truth is never trolling, especially when we're constantly barraged by lies and distortions. Trolling is endlessly parroting those lies and distortions to try to coverup the facts and the truth.
     
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    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    That's quite fanciful, and incorrect.
     
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    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    And?

    You could say that. It wouldn't mean a damn thing, but you could say that.

    Why do I have to jump through your hoops? 9/11 truth has the burden of proof. Prove to ME that CD is real. I've read griffin and he's a crank.

    You have the burden truther. If you continue to refuse to explain 'all of them', I doubt we will cover them, for I'm not watching a four hour video made by an liar. Remember Scott, it is the truthers that have the burden, not me, despite Bob's distortions of Logic 101. ;)

    However,

    The first three DRG claims in the video:

    1). The 9/11 attacks were similar to Pearl Harbour.

    Answer: In that it was a surprise attack, yes, it is similar in that respect.

    2). The evidence was there for Pearl Harbour.

    Answer: Yes, hindsight sorted out the evidence as did 9/11.

    3). Many aspects of the two attacks bear a resemblance in that they both were required to go to war.

    Answer: This is spin on the reality. It muddles the causation in order to influence the viewer toward the author's bias, and this is misrepresentative. Although war was the result of both attacks, to state that they were 'required' is disingenuous and clearly a product of the author's confirmation bias. It is a typical example I refer to as, 'lowbrow truther rhetoric'-all memes and dishonest misrepresentations. 9/11 truth has always had problems with logic and causality, and this is no different (cf: the molten steel premise).

    Ok, Scott, are you happy now? Now jump through your own hoops there, Buddy, and be courteous enough to make your point clear in future, ok?

    I'm not here to teach you how to think, or how to discuss a subject in an adult fashion. Make your claim and make it clear. Don't ask me to watch a four hour video of some idiot's fantasies, for I will ignore you.

    Got it?
     
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    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    One thing that 9/11 truth have overlooked in this quest for the release of the redacted pages:

    Does this mean that 9/11 truth finally acknowledge the existence of the 19 hijackers?

    LOLOL
     
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    Go back to post #99 and look at what I asked again.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=10&p=1066130434#post1066130434


    Now look at post #15.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=12&p=1066139240#post1066139240


    You didn't address the issues I'd asked you to address.


    I'll say it again. Go to the 4:27:48 timemark of this video...

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M


    ...and address the first two or three points made. There are nine in all.
     
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    I know the Saudis and their leadership well.... I was also close by CIA people who lived in Arabia and oilmen who were very close with the SAG... for the past sixty years.

    KSA is not like Egypt, Syria, Iran or Iraq for very specific reasons...
     
  7. Bob0627

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    I see, so you know the intimacies of the KSA royal family via osmosis, you were "close by" according to you.
     
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    Why can't you address specific posters when discussing a topic in THIS FORUM, as opposed to some invented group-think phantom? "9/11 truth" is not a human being with a specific mindset, it's an invention. It doesn't think or talk, never mind respond to your questions in THIS FORUM. Now I'll assume you really mean to be posing the question to someone who hasn't bought the OCT, so I'll volunteer my personal answer if that's ok (or not, doesn't matter to me).

    1. The story about the hijackers belongs here (and in other official accounts):

    http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

    2. The 28 redacted pages are REDACTED, every single word. So no one knows what is written other than those who have read them and we only have some of the generalized crumbs they publicly tossed us.

    3. The OCT includes the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST reports, the 28 redacted pages, ALL the known classified material (including 27 boxes of documents the FBI hid from Congress and the 9/11 Commission regarding the alleged hijackers and the Saudi connection) and ALL the unknown material that may or may not exist that the public knows nothing about.

    Since we know for a FACT that the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST reports are untrustworthy because they are loaded with lies and distortions and there are huge critical omissions and we know zero about the 28 pages and all the other material that's being deliberately COVERED UP, we have no idea what's real and what is not about these alleged hijackers. We do know that some of the OCT stories about the hijackers are not backed by any publicly available reliable evidence and some make no sense at all (a complete insult to one's intelligence).

    Examples regarding questions about the "hijacker" OCT claims that are dubious or make no sense at all (and these are just a few):

    http://www.consensus911.org/point-pent-3/
    http://www.consensus911.org/point-flt-1/
    http://www.consensus911.org/point-flt-3/
    http://www.consensus911.org/point-h-1/
    http://www.consensus911.org/point-video-2/

    So bottom line, those who understand the massive 9/11 coverup also know that the "hijacker" story is nothing more than an OCT claim backed by nothing trustworthy and know the 28 pages are equally untrustworthy. That means that many INDIVIDUALS (as opposed to an invented phantom) will speculate forever (or as long as the truth is unavailable, which will probably be forever) about whether the "hijacker" story is real or just another government fed fairy tale. The speculation also includes stories (credible or not) about that some of these alleged hijackers were claimed to be alive after 9/11.

    And all the above is just MY personal opinion and no else's, backed by some of what I personally have learned (linked above).
     
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    I wasn't addressing anyone specifically, so your feigned outrage is immaterial (and yet again you miss the point; this is monotonous). This campaign tacitly acknowledges the existence of the hijackers. I don't expect you to understand as it is a point of logic, therefore any explanation won't be applicable to truthers.
     
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    You didn't ask me to address anything. You posted videos. This is your whole problem, however, it obviously isn't sinking in...LOLOL

    No, make your point(s) and stop screwing me around. You've screwed me around for how many posts when you simply could have stated your case clearly? Your laziness is NOT my problem, truther. You have the burden and you have the floor, please stop being so lazy and state a clear case or go away.

    It's that simple truther.
     
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    opinion ... yes, your opinion ... and I have my opinion mostly based on facts ... the facts that you so convenient ignore to further your agenda while using biased truther propaganda ...

    yeah yeah Bob, we know it's not about you, but you put yourself out there like an expert on the subject, so reap what you sow ...

    if you don't like it, go to the crank forums promoting the same bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you spew ...
     
  12. Bob0627

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    Exactly my point, you're always asking imaginary vaporware to discuss 9/11 issues with you and ridiculing this vaporware fantasy of yours as if it's a single person with a specific mindset.

    People (as in individual human beings of all kinds) want to know what is in those 28 pages that they're hiding. Then each individual human being will decide for him/herself what it means and why the decision was made to classify them. And that's in the event they are declassified in their entirety. If not, good luck with it since they would still be covering it up. Anyone with any reasonable amount of intelligence knows those 28 pages will answer very little about 9/11 even if completely declassified. And they certainly won't make the OCT hijacker story more believable, again, at least not to those who understand the propaganda game. It's no different than the alleged assassination of Bin Laden, it proved absolutely nothing about 9/11, much less proved the OCT assassination story.

    No one understands YOUR logic, its source is YOU. YOUR logic concluded the OCT is truth, so much for YOUR logic.

    Besides your imaginary inventions, YOUR explanation is not applicable to any living being in the material world.
     
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    I thought I said that, you're so quick.

    Absolutely, facts YOU decided are facts and ignored all contrary facts YOU decided aren't facts as far as I can tell.

    I don't have any agenda other than to try to learn as much reality as I can about 9/11 and that will never come from the storytellers. The only reality they dish out are lies, distortions and omissions (i.e. COVERUP). The "facts" YOU decided are facts.

    That's a non sequitur as there is no such thing.

    I believe I have posted multiple times that I'm not an expert on any 9/11 subject. I studied it for many years and have posted many facts (including eyewitness claims) as well as credible expert opinion (those I decided are credible experts) to support my opinion. It doesn't make me an expert but it does make me informed enough to be able to voice my opinion on the subject of 9/11.

    Another non sequitur, there is no such thing either. Regardless, who the **** are you to dictate anything? You don't like my posts? Don't read them and don't respond, that's your prerogative.
     
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    Trolling noted. I didn't address anyone because it wasn't addressed to ANYONE. Your butthurt matters not.


    Irrelevant to my point.

    Logic is a process. It doesn't belong to anyone, and it isn't arbitrary. If you fail, you fail. Obviously, you never took any Logic classes at university.

    I find it fascinating that you're oblivious to my point. That is quite telling, and your personal attacks are noted.
     
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    You're absolutely right, when you have no relevant point every point becomes irrelevant to your point. Sorry I tried in the first place, that was wrong.

    [Edit: But I used your post to post what is relevant to 9/11 in the process, so thank you.]
     
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    Yeah, there is. You'd particularly like David Icke's forum-I think it's right up your alley. You'd be among like minded individual's who are incapable of challenging your stories.

    https://forum.davidicke.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5
     
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    Response to post #135...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=14&p=1066149347#post1066149347


    Click on this link.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

    Go to the 4:27:48 time mark and listen to the argument about the sagging trusses. Please address the issue put forth about the sagging trusses in that video at the 4:27:48 time mark.
     
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    Yes.. I do know the Sudeiri Seven personally.... and I know their long track record over a period of 60 years..
     
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    Oh good, so please ask them if they financed 9/11, most Americans want to know. Thanks for your help. But please be careful, as you know they're big into chopping heads off if you look at them the wrong way, plus I don't believe they're too keen on treating females as human beings. Which brings up another point, as a female, how are you privy to any significant inside information about the royal family?
     
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    I hadn't seen that documentary before (for the record, it's called September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor), looks very good. I saw part of it concerning the incredibly suspicious amount of air defense personnel people who were missing in action, beginning at around 33 minutes in.
     
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    Surprise, surprise, this article is in a very mainstream paper:

    The establishment is lying about the 9/11 report
    By Paul Sperry

    Excerpts ...

    Kean and Hamilton suggested the commission “thoroughly” investigated the Saudi leads and cleared all the suspected Saudi officials cited in them.

    ....

    This is a whitewash.

    ....

    Kean and Hamilton also claimed all “9/11 Commission members and relevant staff were given access to the 28 pages,” but at least one senior staff investigator was fired by the commission director for requesting access to the 28 pages, even though she had clearance and was working Saudi leads. And Hamilton himself admitted in an interview last year that he’d “never read” the 28-page section — “I don’t know what’s in it. No one ever came to me and said you ought to read these pages.”

    Last year, both Kean and Hamilton said they wanted all 28 pages released in full, adding they were “embarrassed they’re not declassified.” Now, suddenly, they’re urging a selective release, if at all, and are downplaying the idea there’s anything explosive to uncover.

    Yep, nothing to see here, folks, move along.

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/02/the-establishment-is-lying-about-the-911-report/
     
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    Hey Blues63...

    In post #97 you said this.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=10&p=1066129941#post1066129941


    I've responded several times. Here's my latest response.

    (post #142)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=15&p=1066150743#post1066150743


    I'm still waiting. Stop tap dancing around and respond to my response seriously.
     
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    If you'd lived in KSA, you'd know that an American woman can talk to Saudi men and also be invited into women's social functions. One should be modest and not flirt, but that's easy for some Western women.

    Oil company people have always had access to the SAG.. We shared a common interest in spite of differences in religion and culture.

    KSA was not behind 9-11. They had nothing to gain and our losses set them up for horrible accusations and speculation.. Even our refusal to release the 28 redacted pages "in the interest of our national security" has made it impossible for them to defend themselves.

    OBL wanted 9-11 to have a Saudi face and cause a war between Saudi Arabia and America.. and many dimwits have aided and abetted that plan.
     
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    Thanks for your opinion. I have no idea who all the players were that were involved/complicit in 9/11 and who weren't, same as you, despite your claims. I can only speculate, same as you. The OCT, being a bunch of lies, is a coverup for the criminals actually involved.
     

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