Senator Bob Graham and 9/11

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    In today's news, there are no less than 3 articles about the 28 redacted pages:

    Former senator: Release the uncensored truth about 9/11

    When asked by host Chuck Todd to make the case against releasing the information, Brennan replied, “I think some people may seize upon that uncorroborated, unvetted information that was in there that was basically just a collation of this information that came out of FBI files, and to point to Saudi involvement, which I think would be very, very inaccurate.”

    With all due respect, that argument is an affront not only to the American public in general but also to all those who lost family members, loved ones and friends on that fateful September day in 2001. Americans are fully capable of reviewing the 28 pages and making up their own minds about their significance.

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    Former Illinois governor and two-time presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson put it best: “As citizens of this democracy, you are the rulers and the ruled, the law-givers and the law- abiding, the beginning and the end.” That unique status gives the American people all the authority and capability needed to review the 28 pages and determine the truth. It is long past time they had the opportunity.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d4a9f6-1620-11e6-9e16-2e5a123aac62_story.html

    Former senator blasts CIA chief over secret 9/11 pages

    (similar article)

    The reader comments following the article are almost all about that 9/11 was a false flag operation. So despite that many OCT defenders in various forums like to post nonsense about a small minority believe 9/11 was a false flag, it's more than obvious that just the opposite is true.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-...senator-criticizes-cia-over-secret-9-11-pages

    Saudis braced for release of hidden pages of 9/11 report

    Saudi Arabia is confident nothing in a secret 28-page section of a US congressional report on the September 11 attacks implicates its leaders.

    But some officials worry its eventual publication -- 15 years after the assault on New York and Washington -- will stir suspicion at a time of tense ties.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudis-braced-release-hidden-pages-9-11-report-194758003.html
     
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    Bob Graham is an absolute fool who knows NOTHING about Saudi Arabia or the Middle East.. How do these morons get elected?
     
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    And even if that's true, what does YOUR personal opinion of Graham have to do with the redacted 28 pages?

    They don't, the system is rigged and the election process is a pretense to make people believe they actually have a choice.
     
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    Corbett calls the 28 pages a "get the Saudis card". I posted about this a while back. We really have not a clue about what's real and what's a political ploy.
     
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    The Saudis had nothing to gain from 9-11 and all thru 2003 they asked for the release of the redacted pages so they could defend themselves. The Bush administration said they couldn't do so without compromising intelligence assets.. and of course Bush wanted to invade Iraq and had hinted repeatedly that Iraq was behind 9-11.

    This is about money.. The Saudis have deep pockets and the lawyers see a windfall like tobacco or asbestos.. and Graham is either their pawn or dumb as a brick.

    Accusing Princess Haifa is beyond stupid.
     
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    This is all your personal opinion and it still has nothing to do with declassifying those 28 pages. The American people have the right to see what's in those pages and what is in ALL those classified documents that the US government and NIST refuse to make public. They have the absolute right to see for themselves and determine what is what about all that information, even if it's filled with lies. This is NOT about Bob Graham, the Saudis, Bush, your opinion or my opinion, it's about 9/11 and what the US government has that they're hiding and why they're hiding it. The 9/11 families are absolutely entitled to that information and so are the rest of us. As to your claim that the Saudis asked for their release, I heard that and also heard that they are threatening to cause economic damage if they are declassified. But the US government's constitutional obligation is NOT to the Saudis, it's to the American people.
     
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    Les Jamison, founder of HR14.org, a group that has been the primary grassroots effort for the declassification of the redacted 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission report. He also advocates declassifying everything.

    [video=youtube;0jvJEqktXv8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jvJEqktXv8[/video]
     
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    "It's very detailed, it has the names of the people who supplied money to the 15 Saudi Arabians who participated in the bombing of the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. It has the names of the people who supplied the money, the bank account numbers, the amounts of money, where the money went to. And I'm not at liberty to tell you who those people were, but use your imagination a little bit and I can tell you that the rumors that have been circulated . . . I didn't see a whole lot that would negate those rumors" ~ Congressman Rick Nolan (D-Minnesota) at 03:14 in this video:

    [video=youtube;NW0j4Fu8zO4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW0j4Fu8zO4&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    So Congressman Rick Nolan has read the redacted pages? When did he read them?
     
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    Statement of September 11th Advocates Regarding Passage of JASTA and White House Response

    Excerpts ...

    In light of that goal and in direct response to the Obama Administration's statement today that they still, "strongly continue to oppose this legislation," and that they may, "seek additional changes to the measure or try to get it killed in the House," we would like to respectfully request that the Administration refrain from using such violent language when opposing legislation specifically designed and intended to help victims of terrorism.
    For us, whose loved ones were killed, there is simply no room for the word "killed" in this dialogue. Obama and his speechwriters and spokespeople ought to know that.

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    In the spirit of keeping things real, we would like to draw Mr. Obama's attention to his own deliberate decision not to read the 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry of Congress' Final Report into the 9/11 Attacks.

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    Mr. Obama quoted Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. who said, "The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice." Noting that to get there depends on, "... the choices we make, particularly at certain inflection points in history."

    Today, we stand at just such an inflection point in our history. We call upon President Obama to heed the words he so easily echoed from Dr. King, and make the right choice, one that bends towards justice for the 3,000 innocent souls murdered on 9/11.

    Kristen Breitweiser
    Patty Casazza
    Monica Gabrielle
    Mindy Kleinberg
    Lorie Van Auken


    http://www.opednews.com/articles/St...1_911-Saudi-Arabia_Widows-911-160519-994.html

    The war-criminal-in-chief has not read the 28 pages but wants the legislation to declassify it "killed". He did say he's good at killing people, so killing is what he does.

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    Why does that matter?
     
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    About Rick Nolan

    Returning to Congress in 2013 after more than 32 years in domestic and international business and community work and starting his second term in 2015 after reelection, Congressman Rick Nolan represents Minnesota’s sprawling 8th District – 18 counties that run from the top of the state’s Duluth/Lake Superior Arrowhead region, through some of the nation’s richest mining, timber, lakes and tourist country, to the fast-growing northern suburbs of Minneapolis-St. Paul.

    https://nolan.house.gov/about/about-rick

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    Because lots of these guys lie thru their teeth.

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    Because lots of these guys lie thru their teeth.
     
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    I agree 100%, they are politicians after all. But he's not the only who has read them and they all seem to say the same thing. So the only way we're ever going to know if these people are lying about what's in those 28 pages is to get them declassified. And since these are the same people who want them declassified and are actively working to get them declassified, don't you think that they would be exposing their lies if they are declassified and they don't say what these people claim they say? What is your point exactly?
     
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    Yes, I too am curious about Margot's actual point.
     
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    I think they haven't read them and are speculating.. Notice how they hedge their statements.. If they had read the 28 pages, why not name names and state facts?

    These politicians are liars and they are manipulating you.. They lawyers have gotten to them and the lawyers see a big pay day like tobacco or asbestos.
     
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    We agree that most politicians are liars, but the simple fact is that there are a few good men in government. Not many, but a few.

    Graham has read the 28 pages. I think Wyden of Oregon too, and several others. They all say virtually the same thing--the public should see the material. When those politicians read them, they could not take notes and could not take pictures.

    That John Brennan is saying "oh, there is nothing to see there, none of it has been vetted" suggests rather strongly that Brennan and his outfit would rather the material remain secret, and if they want it kept secret, there is a reason for it.

    The vast preponderance of the evidence shows the official story about 9/11 to be a lie. These 28 pages will likely ALSO show the official story to be a lie, and that's why Brennan and other interests do not want the public to become informed.
     
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    They all claim to have read them and Bob Graham had to have read them, he was co-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating 9/11. The same committee that issued the report that contains those 28 classified pages.

    They have to be careful as to what they say. These are classified documents, they aren't allowed to reveal specific details.

    See above, don't you understand the level of classification attached to these 28 pages? Why would there be a need for any campaign to declassify them if the contents can be revealed by those who read them? You sound really confused about this.

    That is true but it has nothing to do with declassifying the 28 pages. You completely ignored my post, I'll repeat a key question for you:

    Ah you're a conspiracy theorist. The above claim makes no sense in light of the fact that these people read the classified information and are demanding they be declassified.
     
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    "I think it's a massive coverup and it's not just the 28 pages" - Sen. Bob Graham

    [video=youtube;ZfzUntzdCig]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfzUntzdCig&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    Good video.
     
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    The JASTA bill is a result of Bob Graham's efforts to declassify the redacted 28 pages. There was some recent news that an amendment was added to the bill which created a loophole. The 9/11 families address it in the following article:

    The Truth About the 9/11 VictimsÂ’ Bill

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/25/the-truth-about-the-911-victims-bill/
     
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    They should have released the redacted pages in 2003..
     
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    Of course they should have. They should have released ALL they had about 9/11 except perhaps some very specific information that might have truly compromised national security. But even that required some oversight as to whether it truly compromises national security or not. Instead they hid a ton of documents/evidence, some that many say does not compromise national security (e.g. the 28 pages). They should have also allowed the 9/11 families lawsuit to proceed instead of block it under invented pretext of sovereign immunity.
     
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    Who are the families going to sue? There was no state actor.
     
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    Your question is already answered, the Saudi government. It is in fact infested with state actors.
     
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    That's simply stupid..

    Remember when Guliani turned down the ten million for New Yorkers?

    I had gotten a call to ask if I would go to NY to help distribute funds.. because there were 9 other brothers with 10 million dollar checks waiting in the wings.
     

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