Should Blacks Be Given Their Own Country Inside the US?

No, it never will. The country is unable to change its founding, its history, its founders, but those remain a problem for a very large chunk of the black population. The only solution that makes sense would be for them to have their own fresh start, in their own country.

 

Of course there will still be grievances. Your guys positions is like saying because the US rebelled against tyrannical government interference in 1776 and established its own government to address those grienvances, no one is allow to have grienvances with tyrannical government anymore.

What would you want the government to do when those whites resist the theft of their land with force? Would you use force against whites for the benefit of blacks?

 

It's your opinion their grievances are legitimate, but the problem is that their solutions invariably harm other groups in society. But regardless, they will never be able to embrace the country truly, due to its history of oppression. If they can't be connected to this country in any kind of meaningful way, why can't they have their own land? Why would you oppose their right to self-govern, if you're a libertarian?

 

Removing a large section of generational welfare cases and having the ability to focus energies on those that remain with emphasis on education from a group far more likely to graduate would have an almost immediate impact and a long term impact. Remove white guilt, add shame of failure and you can move an entire generation into being productive...

 

Can you tell me what % of white people vs. black people are on welfare? I'd like to validate these claims because one race highly out-populates the other. What are the %'s?

 

Democrats have since 1932 ran most of government for the longest periods of history. I think if blacks want genuine improvement, more will join the republican party. Since you blame government.

But to explore more. What role did Government play in the destruction of cities where blacks live?

Why don't we see huge cities of whites destroyed the same way?

 

Limiting police use of lethal force and holding them accountable for violating the civil rights of citizens harms other groups how?

 

By Sub-Saharan Africa standards it is a success. Mexico is paradise by comparison.

 

"Their grievances are legitimate" according to some, and their grievances include being held down by white oppression. Why don't the people who feel this way support blacks getting into a position where they are not held down and oppressed? Whites are going to be in power for a very long time, and after them, it's not going to be black people. Hispanics and Asians will take over in the future, and neither of these groups have great examples of helping out blacks. Look at Brazil and other countries in South America. Blacks should have their own place here in the US where they can not be oppressed.

 

We'd also lose the tax revenue from millions of people and a significant chunk of valuable US territory (unless you refuse to rob whites and then we'd just be out some useless tundra or swampland and you guys could gloat when they fail).

 

This is a very statist mindset for a self-described libertarian.

 

Your image of this is much darker than what I envision. I imagine a proposal in which blacks have an incentive to go to those states and start lives. You could even give some of them loans to get started, not to mention aid packages to help their country get established. They would already have a lot of infrastructure, and little need for a military.

If I was going to do it, I would make sure it was something attractive to black people. They would be excited about it. Also, I would not try to force them to do it at all. They would be given a choice of options and asked to decide.

Sure you can.

By controlling your immigration policy and not subsidizing their reproduction.

No it wouldn't.

The whole point of this idea is that it is an attractive proposal.

 

I say, forty acres and a mule, work or starve.

 

Nobody has answered the fundamental question this thread has addressed. If blacks are truly oppressed in this country, why are you forcing them to remain oppressed by its history, its founding, its laws, its racial majority, etc? Some of these issues can't be changed simply be electing more Democrats.

 

Equatorial Guinea has a GDP per capita rating of 37 in the world.

Mexico is 67.

You have that backwards.

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We could instead remove the oppression.

 

Which is true. What grievances do we still have with the British Government? The US-Britain have held a "special relationship" and the theoretical relationship with the US-Black Country could be the same.

 

OKAY, now if you can get blacks to use that as their model, solution at hand.

Actually after looking it up, I am not clear how you used it as your model country?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gv.html

 

Tax revenue? That's one of your concerns? I thought we were talking about concepts of equality and lifting people up, and you're worried about whether the taxman can exploit whites at a high enough level to satiate greedy liberals. WOW...

 

So you let children starve and women die in childbirth? That's the solution?

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Actually I thought we were trying to use racist stereotypes to put forward the idea that a black nation could t succeed because there are blacks on welfare.

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So we give all Texas and all of its oil wealth to blacks and force all the white people out of the state.

 

You can't do that without taking wealth and land from others who earned it (since one of their "grievances" that you claim is legitimate is wealth disparity). You can't do that without taking jobs away from people who earned them. Let me guess, you'd support the Government violating those rights?

 

Well, when you consider the ACA they hoisted on us(Which ended up NOT saving 2500), you can kind of understand how they'd feel about losing the "tax revenue" from the departed class of Americans. Shows where their priorities truly lie, in their so-called care for minority rights.

 

How much wealth and land do you steal from people by ending the drug prohibition and holding police accountable for violating civil rights?

 

58 but I won't quibble. They are the Switzerland of Sub-Saharan Africa.

 

If nothing else, this thread has been indispensible in outing the number of white supremacists active on this site.

StormFront Lite is no joke.

 

So you are going to admit that there is a successful Black Country?