Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage nationwide<<MOD WARNING>>

Hope you enjoy SSM, the right and those that opposed it deserve it. ALL of it.

 

Laws against closely related couples marrying is all about procreation

 

Thank you!

 

Doesn't matter one bit. What matters is who the caregivers are - and it certainly ain't the sperm doner or surrogate mom/egg donor! These are children that exist PURELY because a same-sex couple got together and made that decision. It's not really about what homosexuality 'is' - it's about what gay couples DO. In real terms, they create life because of the fact that, as a couple, they want to start a family. A single gay person (the only viable alternative to them being in a relationship) would be unlikely to do that.

Many cases are decided by one vote. That's the system - like it or lump it.

 

No, it means that the language in our laws no longer matters and that it doesn't have any bearing on how the courts consider and rule on statutes.

You do grasp how this problem undermines the rule of law in this country? Coming from a Supreme Court justice, that should trouble everyone (even though it doesn't, unfortunately).

Looking on the bright side, the SCOTUS has rendered Congress, the President and the Supreme Court obsolete and disposable. If the words in our statutes no longer have meaning, then we don't need to pay people enormous sums of money to write them, enforce/ignore them and interpret them.

No thanks - I'd rather keep my dinner in my stomach where it belongs. I'm nauseated enough already.

 

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1) Secularly speaking, marriage is first and foremost a legally binding contract. If one or both parties violate the contract, you can ultimately dissolve the contract through Divorce Court.

2) A church marriage alone has never been legally recognized as being a valid one. You must get a state issued license. A religious ceremony of marriage is not required by law.

 

Well, they did not do that with straight marriage, so why exactly should gay marriage be an exception?

In Colorado we are forced to recognize straight marriages between people who would not otherwise be able to marry here (they would be considered underage). I don't recall anyone on this forum complaining about this. So this is not new. If you didn't have a problem with it before, why do you have a problem with it now?

 

You can not choose what color you are. Interracial marriage fit the definition of marriage fit the definition of marriage that being between 1 man and 1 woman. They were being discriminated against strictly because of their color which is a clear violation of the constitution. Sexual preferences are not covered by the constitution.

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Who is to say what is the age of consent?

 

Well, then we just disagree on ALL Americans having equal rights then.

 

So I need a license to claim a right?

 

That has not changed. Straight people can still get married, and will still have all of the exact same privileges they had before.

If exceptions were made for sterile couples, or people who just don't want children...why are the same exceptions not valid for homos?

 

Yep, just like heterosexual who could marry but weren't able to have children of their own. Gays adopts, use surrogates, or artificial insemination to have children.

Yep just like every other supreme court case a majority decided an issue.

Guess what? Makes it just as valid as any other supreme court case. I know you don't like that...but I bet most of the losers in these cases dont either.

 

I am not against SSM even though I am a southern born and bred reverend, the bible does not condemn HS, and its even clearer that Jesus didn't condemn HS in his ministry.
Lastly as I said even though I am not against HS or SSM, I do think the states should be able to chose their own tact (way or methods etc) in all issues that rely on interpertation. I say that because I am fully invested in states right, and advocate for those rights at every chance. The reason is because our federal government is corrupt and its too bloated, but powerfully so. In fact I would compare the federal government to a parasite that is violating it's own rules for survival. That is the parasite is killing the host, not by necessity rather, its sucking its host dry because its greedy. Oh well, at least some life partners will be able to enjoy the ride for awhile!

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Everyone wins but the hate mongers.

 

Guess what?

Your states has legal gay marriage. You're arguments are baseless. Always have been, always will be.

Marriage is not based on procreation. You lost.

 

Do you use x-ray technology to peer into your neighbor's houses? I'd bet you would be very surprised at what activities you deem as perverted hetero couples indulge in.

 

"Tables turned"?

You still don't get it. I don't give a crap. I'm a Libertarian. I hope the gays have all the rights they can get.

My goal is to also protect others' religious rights from an obtrusive government.... which you have now missed for the 3rd time. So, I am going with you being obtuse.

Remember, Marriage Licenses were created to stop blacks and whites from marrying. Bah... what am I doing? Where's Forrest Gump when you need him?

 

You can't choose your sexual orientation either.

Whose definition? That has never been codified into Federal law. The constitution has never defined marriage that way.

Where in the Constitution do you see a right to marriage? Please quote it for me.

Who is to say what sexual orientations can wed?

It goes both ways.

 

Please explain how we did not have equal rights before. Did the laws state a straight man could marry a straight man but a gay man cannot? Now if you would like to talk about freedom of choice I'll listen but not about equality because everyone was treated equal under the law.

 

Well lets see... sexual orientation is a sex-based distinction, correct? And biological sex isn't something you choose, correct? Additionally, the vast majority of research from reputable scientific, psychological and psychiatric institutions, organisations and think-tanks backs the idea that sexual orientation is not chosen, yes?

The issue with two men or women marrying is their biological sex - something they did not choose. The issue with two people of different races marrying is their differing ethnicities - something they did not choose.

Getting it now?

 

The point is the government has no reason to encourage gay marriage. There is no requirement in any marriage law that you must be able to have kids in order to marry. There were never any exceptions made for sterile couples.

 

In 20 years, people will wonder why it was a controversy

Oddly, recent decisions are good for republicans
They no longer need adhere to an increasingly unpopular anti gay message
Nor will they be forced to deal with the resulting chaos of an overturned aca

 

The courts have already made it very clear in numerous cases that religious figures can not be forced to preside over marriages. No pastor is going to be forced to marry gays.

You should look into the case law before making an argument. These points were brought up in the oral arguments of the Obergerfell case and covered.

What you're doing is trying to be willfully ignorant.

There is no religious right to dictate the lives of other people. Just because your religion doesn't like gay marriage doesn't mean that gays shouldn't marry.

 

It's pretty funny that the arguments being made are so familiar. I mean, when's the last time the fed had to stop the states from discriminating? And then, when they did, what did the right claim?

Boohoo, state's rights.

Well, the right of the individual is governed by the constitution, THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. Moreover, that supreme law of the land supersedes any law that infringes upon it, including those PASS BY THE STATE.

This is a constitutionally correct ruling, unlike the landmark Citizens U ruling passed by crony Bush II and co.

MOD EDIT - Rule 3For being such ardent "defenders" of the constitution, these rabid rightists are proving they are just a batch of charlatans blowing nothing but foul smelling hot air.

Hilarious really.

 

So why not confirm marriage when the kids arrive?