Ted Cruz calls for DOJ investigation into 'Cuties' filmmakers and Netflix

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  1. HonestJoe

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    Would you consider the same thing with adults dancing or would that be (adult) pornography too? And please look up any of those laws about sexual abuse of a minor and identify any that the existence of this film comes even close to breaking.

    I'm not implicitly defending the film (I've not seen it either). I'm treating it as "innocent until proven guilty" and I'm still waiting for actual evidence that the creators and distributors are definitively guilty of the major criminal offences you're unilaterally declaring them to be. All we seem to have so far is a bandwagon of knee-jerk reactions, rhetoric and apparently at least one lie already (in the accusation of underage nudity). That isn't the right way to solve problems, though it is a effective way of selling copy or getting political attention.
     
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    um.... sexually abusing children is a legal standard. Why deflect from that? Also, an adult can provide consent, a child cannot. Given that several jurisdictions are actively investigating Netflix, I'd say that the jury is out still but once those jurisdictions indict, you'll know.

    I look at it this way. In the same way that I found "call me by your name" (even though the actor was 20) was portraying a minor having sex with an adult to be offensive, I find that monetizing child sexual abuse of a minor to always be wrong, regardless of whether or not it has been indicted or adjudicated. 9-11 yo girls being asked by an adult to sexualize themselves is the problem. And think about it this way, of the girls auditioned, filmed, photographed for these roles, what happened to that material? We have the finished product, but I think the number was around 650 girls auditioned, for the casting process. How do you suppose that went? It's F'in sick.

    And why is it always the left that defends this cr&p? Do you suppose that suddenly the 9-11 yos will be in CA where CA just made it not a registrable offense to abuse them? And why is it, democrats named Weiner are always involved in this shyte?
     
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    I wasn't deflecting, I was seeking for more detail on that accusation. "Sexual abuse of a minor" would relate to specifically defined criminal offences. If you are declaring that this film has broken such laws, you should be able to explain how.

    That's my whole point here. If you're going to publicly accuse people of committing specific criminal offences, you have a moral responsibility to be clear and confident about it. Libel is also a legal standard after all.

    Are they? I've seen random calls for a federal investigation in the US but nothing anywhere else and nothing anywhere actually proceeding.

    How do you suppose that went? You don't know, it's only definitively "f'in sick" in your own head. You've decided the entire project is a particular way based on what you've been told and so you're projecting that conclusion on to all the elements you know nothing about.

    I'm not playing your partisan hate game. Call me "left" or "right", I'll consider it a personal insult.

    Well that's off topic here but if you're talking about this - https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...governor-signs-bill-changing-sex-offender-law - you'd be wrong on a couple of counts. That doesn't give me confidence on any of your on-topic assertions though.
     
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    What exactly are you trying to defend here? I take it by your posts that you want more of little pre pubescent children in skimpy outfits being exploited for money?

    If that is your thing maybe its time to seek counseling before it goes too far and you end up in jail.
     
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    I heven't seen the movie (and btw, neither has Ted Cruz), but it is my understanding that there is no nudity or sex.
     
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    Are they being exploited, or is a growing problem being highlighted? There is no sex and no nudity in the film. It was not created for the titilation of pedophiles, it is an expose of an unhealthly sub-culture among immigrants in Paris.

    What, in my posts here, makes you think that I personally have any interest in this or any other film about dancing, scantily clad children? That's quite an insulting assumption on your part.
     
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    Do you understand what constitutes criminal sexual abuse of a minor? Look it up. It will help you.
     
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    The one positive thing I can say about this film is that it has been universally condemned by virtually EVERYBODY regardless of ideology. I spend a lot of time on other forums as well and even in far left places like Reddit the majority of folks have a HUGE problem with this film.

    That's a good thing, stuff like this should easily transcend ideology and partisan lines and it's comforting to see that virtually everybody from Progressives to Liberals to Libertarians to Conservatives to Christians to Atheists are all openly condemning this film together. I'm glad to see there is still some remnants of civility and humanity left in the world to where we can pretty much all universally agree that making a film like this is just wrong. Not "wrong" IF you are a Conservative, not "wrong IF you are a Liberal, but wrong period. Thankfully most people understand that regardless of ideology.

    So for all of you defending this or saying it's not that bad or the outrage is the result of "Right wing conspiracy", you are factually incorrect. The outrage is coming from all camps pretty much equally and if you don't see anything wrong with this film then YOU are in the minority within your own "camp" regardless of where you fall on the ideological spectrum.

    Netflix is in financial trouble and that isn't the result of JUST "Conservatives" doing that. This is the market doing what it is supposed to do.

    Do I believe a criminal investigation is warranted? I don't know, I don't know enough about law to comment on that. Do I believe it SHOULD BE criminal to portray children this way? Yes I do. Let's get real here, I'm pretty sure the film is technically legal under the law even in the US, however, this is seriously the absolute closest you can get to the legal line regarding the sexual exploitation of minors or flat out pornography. I've read the descriptions of the scenes in the movie, I refuse to watch any of it, but based on the graphic descriptions and the commentary from various folks who have seen the scenes this is as close as you can get.

    Close ups of these children doing this raunchy dances? Zoomed in shots of their private parts to where apparently the outlines of their privates can be seen through the skin tight clothing? What in the actual hell sort of "artistic" license is that? What the hell sort of "story" requires scenes like that? And apparently the title of this movie has become the top 10 most searched for phrases on adult porn sites over the past few days. What the hell is wrong with people?

    Shame on the parents who auditioned their CHILDREN for this movie. Shame on the producer or casting director or whoever the hell it was who supposedly watched the auditions of over 600 CHILDREN doing raunchy sexual dancing in skin tight clothing in order to pick the "best ones for the movie". Shame on the executives who greenlit this, shame on Netflix for allowing this on their platform, and shame on anything who doesn't see anything wrong with any of that.

    This is disgusting, I am so glad that those defending this movie are in the minority big time regardless of political ideology. That gives me hope for humanity.
     
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    In what country and/or state? Laws vary, so be specific.
     
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    It comes under the law HERE if it is broadcast or otherwise distributed HERE. If someone brings in child sex magazines from Mexico they can be charged with a crime here even though it was made in Mexico. Not much we can do about the director and producer if they are living out of the country unless Interpol says they are violating the law maybe. But the people at NetFlix who approved of and broadcast this might want to start looking for attorneys.

    And if anything drag them before Congress to make them explaing and justify this abhorrent movie that every pediofile has probaby been watching non-stop.
     
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    Fat Billy Barr gets his hemorrhoids stimulated every time lying Ted Cruz gets aroused.

    It would be more productive for the DOJ to investigate how many times Dopey Donald Trump has told young girls he will be dating them in 10 years.
     
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    Isn't it funny! The left desperately tries to make Qanon thing a big deal, whose theory is that some pedophiles are trying to overthrow Trump, and here we are, watching a bunch of leftists defending a bunch of pedophiles!
    You can’t make this sh!t up!
     
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    Donald Trump


    Remember Howard stern shoe he admitted to being a peeping tom.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ro...ness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/amp/


    2005 appearance on Howard Stern’s show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said.

    His position as the pageant’s owner entitled him to that kind of access, Trump explained, seemingly aware that what he was doing made the women uncomfortable. “You know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant. And therefore I’m inspecting it… Is everyone OK? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that,” he said.




    Trump is a creep.
     
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    There is no bigger creep out there than Biden.

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    and republicans still support Trump....sad!

    "Joseph and Mary did it" - gives those Nativity scenes a whole new meaning....

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    Susan Rice sits on the Board of Netflix, and of course the Obamas have a $500 million dollar deal producing for them....are we at all surprised to see the top brass of the DNC making this sort of crap? I guess they are looking for their new Harvey Winstein or Jeffrey donors....
     
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    Sure... maybe Biden can get touchy but trump gets raping on those young girls...
     
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    It is evident that all GOP lawmakers and Fox news people and Fox opinion commentators watch this stuff.

    Ted Cruz should be ashamed of himself.
     
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    Proof of Trump raping young girls?
    Please list by the date of conviction and list the penalties imposed on Trump for raping underaged girls.
     
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    really? where is teh evidence?

    Why should he be ashamed for asking the DOJ to look into it's production?
     
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    Please name the pedophiles who were involved in the making of this documentary. Prove your claim.
     
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    Worse than that ... he also owns the Junior Miss Universe pageant, and he walks in on them, too ... all of them underage.
     
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    Because barr will disappear for a long time... wait that would be a great thing for the country....
     
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    huh?
     
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    The show is about the pressure on children today. It explores all the things being discussed here. No one can say that it isn't happening, IRL. Now, we have a show that discusses that very problem. Staggering, the ways people can find ways to be offended.
     
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