The Atlantic - "The Mind of Donald Trump"

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More sarcastic blah, blah, blah.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    No...more TRUTH as proven by the vacuous reply.

    - - - Updated - - -

    He WON....Hillary LOST...
     
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    Seems pretty apt, especially if you consider what the statue of liberty says on it. Trump and liberty though, only if you're a corporation or praise Trump.
     
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    I'm not sure if there has ever been a more classic narcissist than Trump. It should be obvious, no doctor required. Only a dictionary, ears, and half a brain. A lot to ask from hacks, I know.

    Invest in big pharma indeed, but not for the reasons you think. Because Trump will choose their profits over your health, and more importantly so will his SCOTUS pick for the next 30 years.
     
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    Because this is the uncomfortable truth at least?
    The Liberty statue is standing for core values of the USA which are cut off by Trump! Sure, those Trump fans will object it like mad dogs...

    And btw ... it is no Islamic beheaded stuff ... or does he wear Islamic clothes and has an Islamic knife?
     
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    Anyone who looks at that outrageous depiction of Trump has to think President Trump is just like ISIS. He cuts people's heads off and poses for pictures.
     
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    Your interpretation ... but I think everyone knows the Liberty Statue in the world and for what the statue is standing for. So cutting off the head of the statue is the clearly symbol of cutting off for what the statue is standing for.
     
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    The more I read the ridiculous anti-Trump posts on this board, the more I realise my theory that humankind has been infantilised is spot on. In fact posts 20 and 32 exemplify it!
     
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    I missed where the statue of liberty said Donald Trump sliced off somebody's head and posed for a photo of it.
     
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    Well Cerberus ...
    Not only few ask where those people who elected Trump and do defend him like mad have lost the organ in their heads. :wink:

    I must only look about this silly idiotic ban issue and how Trump and his followers defend this BS with worst arguments and being blind to realities.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    TRUMP AND THE "PETER PRINCIPLE"

    And the more I read such unsubstantiated sarcasm, the less faith I have in humanity.

    Trump's incompetence at high office is flagrant - he is a victim of the Peter Principle:
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    He is clearly showing he has no aptitude whatsoever for governmental leadership. He was (perhaps) a good businessman, but other qualities become far more important in the art of Political Governance. The American lower-class panicked and it was they who shifted ranks to vote him into office by means of an antiquated Electoral College, (an election device not-employed by any other republic or democracy on earth) .

    He nonetheless lost the Popular Vote - Hillary Clinton outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The highest margin in recent history!

    Republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
    Democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

    Ie., no discernible difference especially since the US has no monarch as does the UK and numerous other EU countries, the latter nonetheless qualifying themselves as Social Democracies!
     
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    It's too bad someone with your potential to be absorbed with unworkable political ideologies.

    Such social democracies can only flourish in majority ethnic Western and East Asian nations and societies. Once too many underclass groups invade, they will only drain the resources and cause the eventual collapse.

    One can only look how North Africa with the great civilizations of Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome and Carthage, has been reduced to a sprawling mess since the takeover by Islam 1400 years ago. Today, Sweden and other Western SD Nations are being invaded and destroyed by the forces of diversity and social justice.
     
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    THE MAKING OF HISTORY

    I am unsure of what you are trying to say or simply underscore. Ancient historical references in the matter are hardly important - the very notion of democracy barely existed before a couple of centuries ago.

    In fact, it was the meetings between Franklin, Jefferson and John Paul Jones during the 1770s in à restaurant in Paris (called La Procope) with French revolutionaries that outlined our democratic foundations AND the necessity of revolution to break free from existing monarchies - the only system of governance extant at that time.

    Which ultimately happened (almost immediately) because the French king agreed to support the American Revolution against his bitter enemy the English monarchy. The French actually took another decade or so to get around to beheading their King and his Queen.

    Today, and despite the tardiness of history, we are well on our way, on both sides of the Atlantic, to developing our "democracies". The work is long and arduous and we have proven in the US that even two centuries is not enough. European countries (after WW2) were the first to take the step into Social Democracy as a enviable model.

    The US became immoral with the presidency of Reckless Ronnie who instituted greatly reduced Upper-income Taxation that has fed the greed for amassing riches. So, upper-income (lightly taxed) shifts into Wealth, and the American people become hypnotized by it.

    Money-money-money, America has become hypnotized by it.

    A sad tale indeed, one of deception and misperception - an excuse for the rich to exploit the poor and poorer - of which 15% (40 million) find themselves below the Poverty Threshold ...

    My point:
    *I sometimes look back at that meetings in the 1770s at La Procope in Paris (the restaurant is still there in the Latin Quarter and remains the oldest in Paris) with nostalgia for a time when our faith in the future was perhaps childish but pure.
    *What the US has become is no better than the crushing monarchism that existed then - with the poor still suffering the most from the amassment of riches by a relatively select few.
    *Will it take us yet another two centuries to finally get it right ... ?
     
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    POST SCRIPTUM

    My namesake, Lafayette, rushed back from victory in 1783 to France to try to save the monarchy, but was unable. He was a nobleman and knew the French King.

    He wanted badly to convince the French King and the hotheaded revolutionaries to institute a monarchic democracy, but was unable to do so. The French public had come to despise the monarchy.

    Lafayette's grave today is in the PicPus Cemetery, and it is the only place in Paris (or France) where the American flag is allowed to fly day and night.
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    Income redistribution is neither just or fair. People should rise or fall on their own merits. Such policies reward the lazy and other entitlement seekers, and punish the workers and job creators.

    I see modern progressive liberals are as wrong and clumsy as the Jacobians were in the French Revolution. One should not be so narrow-minded as to look only at Western democracies and those in other uniform cultures in Singapore, Hong-Kong, South Korea and Japan---all that have been wealthy and successful---then imagine this will work for every people and culture, everywhere in the world.

    The best example of the failures of progressive democrats can be seen in Detroit----once the "Paris of the West" 100 years ago. After 60 years of liberal democrats and a total shift in demographics, the city is largely a violent wasteland.

    Look at the 10 most dangerous cities in America---all are ran by liberal democrats.

    http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/the-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-america.html/?a=viewall

    Is there even ONE of these cities that have lower crime, and have more industry in the bad areas, than they did 50 years ago?

    Progressives did that.
     
  18. LafayetteBis

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    BLATANT TAXATION UNFAIRNESS

    Neither you or I can or should judge who is lazy and who is ambitious. That estimation is far too subjective.

    We make rules of governance for all collectively that are intended to achieve objectives. The rules-of-the-game concocted by Reckless Ronnie and his cohorts-in-crime as regards income-taxation have led to this situation:
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    What that image depicts is blatant "Taxation Unfairness" that coincided - if you look closely at the infographic - with the Reagan Administration in the 1980s. Not "Income Unfairness", because the 0.1Percenters are not deprived of Income. Just the opposite, they have been given too damn much.

    And why?

    Because companies they own or work for have historically increased massively upper-management salaries (and optional income) to generate huge amounts of income that were taxed far too lightly.

    And you (plural) are justifying Net After-tax Income Inequality by, "Well they earned it!"

    Bollocks! They were paid that Income, but they hardly "earned it" any more than you or I earned ours. And the reason so much of it literally fell into their laps is due to the simple fact that upper-income was so very lightly taxed. In order to obtain immense Wealth, company executives willfully created the mechanisms (such as Stock Options) to assure that upper-management could "cash-in" magnificently.

    Let's not forget that any commercial enterprise is successful because all its people work hard and not just a few to make of it a success. But the Income Data we have shown indicate that not all are sharing equitably in the rewards for their hard work! (Equitably does not mean equally but it does mean "fairly".)

    Iow, it was forethought, deviously programmed thievery of Net After Tax Profits that were unjustly made "handouts" to Top Management. Damn few stock-options were "cashed-in" by the shop-floor sweepers ... !
     
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    Anyone who can work, but won't because either the work is too hard, or they think they are "too good" to do it, or they are getting entitlement or unemployment benefits for months on end----they ARE lazy. I've never seen a workaholic let his family starve in this day and age.

    The market should always dictate the wage. In fact, the Minimum Wage Act should be abolished along with Obamacare, the EEOC and probably 2/3rds of all the current Federal laws that hamper business. I am overjoyed that business owners can make millions while their workers make $7.50 an hour. Good for them!

    America should have a business friendly environment that encourages small and large businesses to be created and grow. The last thing we need are higher taxes on the wealthy and more restrictive laws.

    A fool and his money are soon parted. That is why 80% of big lottery winners are as broke as they started out 5 years after winning. I just have to laugh at liberal snowflakes today that think they should have everything given to them as if it is some kind of "right."

    Even though I have my own S-Corp and do okay financially, I grew up doing farm work, working in town as a teen, joining the Army and taking loans out for most of the money for college. Any able-bodied, fit person is not too good to do dirty, hard work for a low wage.
     
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    "The plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty reads: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Opposite of Trump. You take it a bit too literally.
     
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    Trump Derangement Syndrome ^^
     
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    Completely meaningless statistics and renounced by Piketty himself as a means to argue that any modern society is unfair. It's the median and not the highest 0.1% which represents the progress of an economy.
     
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    I have no interest in historical statistics - indeed, there's no point in my having an interest because I don't trust most of the sources, therefore my conclusions are restricted to what I read and watch every day. What you don't seem to understand is the poisonously organised dissembling against DT by the combined efforts of the (as I keep saying) political elitists who are enraged that he has removed them from their perceived 'born-to-rule' status, together with their extremely lucrative job-for-life sinecures, and they're hell-bent on redressing the situation even if it reflects badly on America as a nation: one of the subterfuges being deployed is an intention to undermine DT, and the best way to do that is to frustrate his every move as he attempts to form his Executive administration. The combined forces of his own party, the opposition party PLUS embittered and lying press barons and senior editors make for a formidable enemy, and like a pack of jackals they're closing in on him from all directions. What dismays me is that I believe they'll prevail, and part of that dismay is what will happen to Americans, whom I generally like and respect. As DT said yesterday - he hasn't caused the split in US society, others are responsible for that, and we needn't go back more than 8 years to discover who those 'others' were. Quoting him again - he inherited 'a mess' and you're (not personally, but as a vicious minority) seem to be trying to prevent him from re-unifying your country. I honestly can't believe it's happening.
     
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    Can't imagine what you are doing in a Debate Forum.

    For your edification:
    Debate = a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote
    Forum = a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

    If you want to keep a closed-mind, immune to debate and possible change, that is entirely your right to do so ...

    PS: Statistics describe the facts of life - one can dispute them, but never avoid them.
     
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    Alright then, not to split hairs on the definition - I always regard them with an extremely healthy dose of scepticism. :mrgreen:
     

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