The Beer Thread

Discussion in 'Food and Wine' started by SpaceCricket79, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. Bluespade

    Bluespade Banned

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    Meh, not a bad bourbon either.
     
  2. Herkdriver

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    I did not fire the first shot over the bow to initiate this conflict.

    I've had Bud Light before at a baseball game or whereever and it's perfectly decent light lager beer made with quality considering it is MASS PRODUCED...
    Little weary of the aficianados putting down cheaper domestic beer.

    Yes I could shell out 8 dollars for a Guinness, but sometimes I'd like to budget my expenses and domestic beer isn't all that bad.

    My Ford vs. Ferrari comments were squarely aimed at the beer snob, because whiskies can be a lot more pricey for the higher quality spirits, probably out of the budgets
    of even the beer snobs.
     
  3. ConsAreVile

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    Right, "beer snobs" can't afford Makers Mark. Sure.

    Guinness sucks btw.
     
  4. leftlegmoderate

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    How dare you?!?! :angered:
     
  5. Really People?

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    My favorite 3 are 1. Yuengling Black & Tan, 2. Samuel Adams Oktoberfest, 3. Guinness
     
  6. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I pretty much gave up drinking beer.But I did buy another 6-pack of SCHLITZ in
    bottles.It wasn't cheap.It says it's the original 1960's recipe.I then bought a
    6 pack {bottles} of regular Miller High Life.That Schlitz has a more robust and
    bohemian style flavor.Kinda like Strohs.
    I used to get drunk a few times a year and it was when I decided to have
    beer with me meal and then Bourbon later with a cigar.Then I'd break out my
    Electric guitar and have some more Bourbon and then a glass of usually whatever
    strong beer I keep for just the occasion.Like a Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout
    or Nut Brown Ale.
     
  7. cenydd

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    There is cheap, mass-produced and poor quality whisky, as there is cheap, mass-produced and poor quality beer (and the same goes for wine). Some people like the cheap stuff - good luck to them, if it works for them and is cheaper, I guess they are lucky! Some people have attuned their palettes to want something a little more carefully crafted than that (like a good single malt, for example), or a little more specific in flavour for their own tastes, and with a little more available variety and flavour than the bland 'lowest common denominator' mass-production stuff (designed specifically to be as inoffensive as possible, so that it can be marketed to the maximum number of people - that applies to wine, whisky and beer equally), and so they buy something not so mass produced (which is inevitable more expensive). Some people may view them as 'snobs', but it's no different than prefering higher quality goods of any kind to the 'value' brands (and the fact that quality beer is still alot cheaper than average whisky or wine proves that it isn't just 'snobbery' - a 'snob' would find the most expensive drink they could to show off, not just look for a better version of the drink they like).

    A couple of decades ago beer (and ale in particular) was, for some reason, not commonly being regarded as such a potentially 'quality' product with the potential for small craft producers making 'premium' versions that were better (and more expensive) than the mass-produced stuff. The variety of ales in the UK had been shrinking rapidly, and the quality reducing, as more and more small breweries (of which there use to be thousands) closed down or were bought up by big producers, with their names being stuck on mass produced stuff instead. In wine and whisky there have, of course, always been those who appreciated the finer things, craftsmanship in production, and quality products, but in beer it wasn't happening, or not in the same way, anyway. A few guys sat in a pub, fed up of all their favorite pints disappearing and being replaced by the same old mass brands that were cropping up all over the land, decided to start a campaign to do something about it. It's now the largest single issue consumer campaign in the UK, the merits of beer (ale specifically, but also quality 'lager') as a drink with every bit as much taste and variety as the best wines and single malt whiskies is now very much more widely recognised, and even being a 'beer sommelier' is now considered a legitimate career in the catering industry. Without those people in the pub, craft brewing of qulity beers would now be virtually dead in the UK, and the knock on effect of the UK campaign wouldn't have prompted the upward development in quality small breweries that we have seen all over the world (including the USA). They weren't 'snobs' - far from it - just people who thought that a decent pint of beer from a choice of quality producers, instead of having just the same few bland brands to choose from, was something worth fighting for!

    Of course, the irony of it is that the cheap mass produced stuff, if you go into a pub in the UK, is usually more expensive than the stuff from the quality small producer, even though it costs alot less to make, purely because of the 'brand name' premium they place on it. I don't know whether that applies in bars in the US, though.

    A good quality beer is made from the actual ingredients, and quality ones, not from 'extracts' and 'flavourings', and not using cheap substitute grains to pad it out. It is carefully brewed by a craftsman in a specific way individual to that beer, to produce and bring out the diofferent specific flavours and aromas that can be produced by all the different kinds of those ingredients, not just to to have a bland generic 'beer' flavour that is drinkable by everyone (as long as it's half frozen so you can't actually taste anything, because the taste buds don't work the same at very low temperatures) without causing offense to those that don't like particular possible flavour and aroma notes so much. It is brewed naturally, allowing the yeast to do its job, not forced or chamically enhanced, and not pasteruised or preserved for long shelf life.

    Choosing that is no different from choosing a specific vintage and/or producer of wine or single malt whisky - which one you choose is a matter of taste, and while some will be perfectly satisfied by the cheap stuff (and good luck to them), others who prefer to explore the infinate variety of the possible flavours, or who just prefer a certain kind of flavour, are unlikely to find that the bland mass produced supermarket value range (or its equivalent bland mass produced name brand cousin) is satisfactory for them.
     
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    A little harsh, but Guiness is a big name, hugely mass produced and relatively bland version of a stout. There are much better stouts and porters out there, with a huge variety of different flavours and aromas that you just won't find any hint of in Guiness (the export stuff, anyway - I understand that Guiness in Ireland is somewhat better, although I haven't tried it myself). It's OK for what it is, but it's mass-market appeal stuff, and so not a particularly interesting drink.
     
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    Far & away the worst Beer I've had/tried in the last decade was one Guiness advertised
    and was kind of reasonably priced.Guiness had a draught beer in a can and I bought
    a 6 pack.It was the one that had those plastic plugs inside.At first I thought it was maybe
    a mouse that must be in that can.Like a practical joke.
    The beer was just very bitter/sour and had no beer-like taste.
    I think it was kinda flat also.usually Guiness in the bottle always produced a very
    nice head of foam with rich brown-tinted bubbles.
    Guiness was the only thing that used to cure a Beer hangover the next day,for me.
    I used to drink a lot of beer.
     
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    Guiness also isn't very strong as a regular Budweiser is slightly stronger.Guiness
    is around 3% alc. and a standard Bud around 3.5% alc.
    It is kind of an urban legend that Guiness is some hugely strong beer.
    An Imperial Stout is a strong beer.
     
  11. signcutter

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    Cant say i really go out of my way to drink Beer... but when i do drink Beer I like a good quality Weizen beer... that banana bread beer sounds interesting though.
     
  12. Foolardi

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    I used to prefer a nicely crafted porter.Porter's used to be the working class
    beer for the masses.A porter is defined by it's dark color and was much stronger in it's
    infancy,Guiness originally was called " Extra Stout Porter ".
    So Porter was actually a generic term that reflected both Stouts AND Porters.
    Eventually due to taxation Porters were being taxed due to their specific gravity or alc.
    and were being produced in differeing strengths.Eventually becoming milder and
    more affordable for the common man or the working class.
     
  13. ConsAreVile

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    I've had the Banana Bread on tap before. Interesting is the right word. It was a very nice and enjoyable experience but I won't be buying a 6-pack any time soon.
     
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    I don't always drink beer...


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  15. ConsAreVile

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    That's a great ad campaign....but you'd think the most interesting man in the world would drink something more interesting than Dos Equis.
     
  16. Really People?

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    It's not too bad, though...
     
  17. ConsAreVile

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    Meh, another flavorless and fizzy adjunct lager from mexico with good branding. For whatever reason, if I'm stuck with this style my preference is Pacifico Clara.
     
  18. Really People?

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    I'm not saying it's anything I really mess with...

    But, it's better than Corona, or some other crap like that...

    *shrug*
     
  19. Foolardi

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    For somone who loves beer made in America,one of THE Finest craft brewed beer
    makers is Schell's .All of thei Beer has a distinctive rich amd rewarding flavor and
    head.A good Head of beer { Foam } will always reguire the tiniest of well-knit bubbles.
    The fatter the beer bubbles the cheaper and crudier the beer.
     
  20. Anikdote

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    Why am I trusting the opinion of a guy who already told me he doesn't usually drink beer? I want an experts opinion.
     
  21. ConsAreVile

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    They aren't selling you beer. They're selling you an image.
     
  22. Foolardi

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    When I was a Frosh in College { 1971 } Bud came out with it's first Matl Liquor.
    It was Budweiser Matl Liqour in a Black can with golden Anheuser Bush logo's
    all over the can.And the word Budweiser in bold red.
    I remember that I shared a 6-pack with my girlfriend and she had 2
    and I had 4 cans.We both were practially drunk off our keisters.
    Bud quickly discontinued it.I never found out why.I never again saw that
    Malt Liquor.
    I guess one could say I was part of History.
    Of course that was far from the most special malt Liquor I ever quaffed.
    There was a berr called Hop'N Gator and me and my Best friend spent every
    chance we had in the summer of my High School graduation drinking the stuff.
    It tasted like Beer mixed with a little vodka and Fresca soda pop.
    I just checked and it was made by Pittsburg Brewing Co. who also made
    the Infamous Iron City beer.I remember as a sophmore in college a gallon
    of Iron City { 8-pack of 16 oz. bottles was $ 1.59.} where Bud had just gone
    to $1.39 for a 6-pack.
     
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    When I was a Frosh in College { 1971 } Bud came out with it's first Matl Liquor.
    It was Budweiser Matl Liqour in a Black can with golden Anheuser Bush logo's
    all over the can.And the word Budweiser in bold red.
    I remember that I shared a 6-pack with my girlfriend and she had 2
    and I had 4 cans.We both were practially drunk off our keisters.
    Bud quickly discontinued it.I never found out why.I never again saw that
    Malt Liquor.
    I guess one could say I was part of History.
    Of course that was far from the most special malt Liquor I ever quaffed.
    There was a brew called Hop'N Gator and me and my Best friend spent every
    chance we had in the summer of my High School graduation drinking the stuff.
    It tasted like Beer mixed with a little vodka and Fresca soda pop.
    I just checked and it was made by Pittsburg Brewing Co. who also made
    the Infamous Iron City beer.I remember as a sophmore in college a gallon
    of Iron City { 8-pack of 16 oz. bottles was $ 1.59.} where Bud had just gone
    to $1.39 for a 6-pack.
     
  24. sparky2

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    I myself enjoy, regularly:

    a. Amber Bock by Michelob
    b. Negra Modelo
    c. Dos Equis Amber

    I like my beers darkish, cold, and one after the other.

    Cheers.:w00t:

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  25. MisLed

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    don't let the arrogant beer elite put you down for your beer preferences. I just found out recently that i don't mind a bud light. And where some people think it's too bland, i think it has a nice delicate, non-bitter finish. heh heh heh.

    I'll drink an Odouls amber too. Light, non filling. low cal. not a bad taste.

    When i want to get serious. coors lite, Shiner, Negro Modelo, not necessarily in that order.
     

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