The BLM Movement is a Lie

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  1. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

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    Not only is the BLM movement a lie, but their claims of victimhood and abuse are the EXACT inverse of what reality indicates.

    Exactly what social injustice are they referring to? Assertions of being scared to leave the house for fear of being killed or abused by police or white people are flat out lies.

    In 2019 there were 13 unarmed blacks who died from police out of 53,500,000 police interactions with the public. That means that in 99.99998% of all police interactions, no unarmed black person died.

    In 2019 there were approximately 26,000 ACCUSATIONS of excessive force. If we assume that all of those were legitimate (which we know empirically they’re not) then that means that in 99.96% of all police interactions there is not even an ACCUSATION of excessive force.

    The fact is that a police officer is 18x more likely to be murdered by a black man than a black man is to be murdered by a police officer.

    So exactly what social injustice are they referring to?

    Maybe its that whites are victimizing blacks? Not according to reality. In fact the statistics show the EXACT inverse is true:

    There were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between blacks and whites last year, including white-on-black and black-on-white attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent.

    And of course everyone by now knows:

    Blacks make up less than 13% of the total population and yet they commit approximately:

    50% of the total murder
    40% of the total assault
    30% of the total rape
    55% of the total robberies and
    40% of the total violent arson

    So I ask you. Who is victimizing whom?
     
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    Nobody?
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    If the cops killed one of your children, I doubt you'd respond with crime statistics.
     
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    I do not understand how the rioting benefits BLM. I mean, people see these folks acting like animals on TV, so what happens? The few true racists, if you can find some, nod their heads and say "told you so," and maybe it creates a few new ones. What is their end game?
     
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    Most people here know better than to feed a troll !!!
     
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    What response would you have if a black man killed one of your children? Would you blame all of them, too?
     
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    So producing statistical, verifiable fact is considered trolling now?
     
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    Careful, lest you get accused of racist math.
    Also, you can’t beat “feelz” by using facts. The liberal mind does not process that way. Feelz first, then bend the facts to match the feelz. I’ve seen it a million times before. Defies logic.
     
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    Marxism is their end game. "Social justice" is the tool these communists are using to tear down society.
     
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    Exactly what’s occurring. This is not a social justice movement. This is a communist insurrection masquerading as a social justice movement.

     
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    That's irrelevant to my point, which is that statistics are meaningless when it's your family that's affected.

    Police should be held accountable on a case by case basis.
     
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    Do you think that’s what the left is advocating for?
     
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    There's a small minority of conservative blacks who would like whites to treat them as equals but it must be hard for them to claim they are just like everyone else when blacks respond to incidents with riots, looting and violence.
     
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    That's no where close to what BLM is about nor is it what they are wanting.
     
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    BLM is an extortion ring and an arm of the democrat party.
     
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    I think that's what Democrats are advocating for; not really sure who "the left" is. I'm guessing that's what Republicans are advocating for, as well.

    Being neither a Democrat nor a Republican, what I want is transparency. That some of the transparency is in the form of civilian captured video rather than statements from the Chief of Police, tells me something is broken.
     
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    Basing race relations on statistics is a naive attempt at ignoring a complex problem for what it is. Your opinion of BLM is irrelevant to that fact.
     
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    But if the statistics don’t back up your claim then your claim is not substantiated.
     
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    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no complex problem. It's really as simple as that.
     
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    Lies, damn lies and statistics.

    The issue of race relations in America cannot be addressed using statistics. Doing so is naive. We're talking about racism, and your opponent will make the same naive attempt by turning your claim around. The statistics show systemic racism. That's your opponents' argument.

    We're talking about people. We can divide people along any lines we want, look up some stats, and conclude inane things like, "Brown eyed left-handed people are twice as likely to steal than green-eyed ambidextrous people."

    Statistics can say whatever you want them to say when they're misapplied to complex issues. I won't attempt to dissect the issue of racism, but sometimes truth can be revealed in brilliant fiction. If you haven't seen the film Crash, I recommend it.
     
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    Of course there isn't, to those who ignore this fact.
     
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    You misunderstand the goals of BLM. It has nothing to do with black lives. It has to do with a desire to replace our culture and government with their own. That is what they say. Don't you believe them?
     
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    I disagree wholly with your position. If there was widespread systemic racism, it would be verifiable through statistical analysis.

    But for the sake of argument let’s say it’s not and that there’s this nebulous boogeyman of racism against blacks in our country. Individualized discrimination and racism is an IMPOSSIBILITY to legislate out. What we do as a country is legislate our systemic explicit racism from the government, so that everyone has the same legal privileges and protections.

    It is an irrefutable FACT that we have done exactly that in regards to how blacks are treated. But it is also and irrefutable FACT that we have instituted explicit, systemic governmental sanctioned discrimination against whites in this country.

    So now whites not only have to endure a GROSS level of violence against them by the “oppressed minority” as well as systemic government sponsored discrimination... but we ALSO have to accept that we are all privileged, racist and that everything we built we only did so through oppression of other people and unfair policies in our favor. We are supposed to accept that EVERYTHING we have contributed and built is evil and must be torn asunder.

    Not only is that ENTIRE position demonstrably false but it’s incredibly racist.

    So I have two questions for you.
    1) If blacks as a whole cannot be held responsible for the absurdly high level of violent crime that they commit in the aggregate today, why should white people be held responsible for racism and discrimination from decades to centuries ago?

    2) If the liberals don’t care that whites are discriminated against today, why should whites care that blacks were discriminated against years ago?
     
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    They want to abolish the suburbs!

    The big bad boogieman isn't coming. He never does, but extremists keep sounding the alarm anyway.

    Nobody is trying to replace your culture. What they want is you to accept theirs.
     
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    They are using violence to gain acceptance. Obviously acceptance isn't the point. I was simply correcting the post about the goals of BLM. the boogieman, by the way, is here.
     

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