The BLM Movement is a Lie

I find the race baiting, divisive, anti-American, violent, lying marxist revolutionaries, and their pathetic left wing enablers to be criminals.. insurrectionists committing treason, and should be arrested, deported, and/or jailed.

Any teachers or public sector employees should be fired, and any on govt assistance should be cut off. Assets from politicians, gained while in office, should be seized, and the traitors banned from public office.

If there is not a basic level of American loyalty, among those benefiting from the taxpayer's funding, why should the taxpayers be forced to support them?

 

And thus we have why the position you’re pushing is dishonest. You KNOW that the people you’re including are not slaveowners and yet you group them in as slaveowners because they benefited from the practice.

We are discussing who were actual slaveowners. If you want to have a discussion about who BENEFITED from slavery, I’ll be happy to do that. But I assure you that’s not a discussion you want to have.

The VAST majority of the so-called discriminatory results from the justice system aren’t because they’re being discriminated against but because of three reasons:

1) Blacks are far more likely to commit a crime with a prior criminal record. Resulting in more severe sentencing.
2) Blacks are far more likely to commit a crime while carrying a firearm. Resulting in a more severe sentence.
And most important 3) Blacks are FAR less likely to hire an attorney and instead rely on a public defender. Resulting in a more severe sentence.

 

Look around to see how many African-Americans are pure blooded Africans.
I rest my case.

 

The slavemasters were not the only ones raping them, of course. Any White man around African slave women could do whatever he wanted to do with them. Ownership of the slave wasn't required.

 

Do you honestly think they kept records of slave rapes? A better way to judge it is by how many slave descendants have European DNA.
I'm willing to bet the percentage is very high; in the 90-95% range.

 

No, you’re using ineffectual numbers in an attempt to lessen the extent slavery existed in a slave society. In this attempt, you used people in non slave states to alter the numbers, of course people in non slave states didn’t own slaves, it was illegal. This is specific to slave holding states, your analysis is meaningless and pseudo-historical. Slavery was the southern economy, even non slave owning whites worked within the institution of slavery.

Pre-noted the first and second, harsher sentences are given even in identical circumstances. The third is a different problem with our justice system, where money has a dramatic impact on how justice is handed out.

 

I love how you guys act like extreme oppression and discrimination against black people in the USA ended in 1865.

LOL!!!!!!

 

dont worry buddy, dont expect to lose the right to vote, to get a home loan, to get a business loan, to go to college, to go to a good restaurant, to go to a hotel, to go to a theater, to go to a gas station, to have a job, any time soon. That was some very special racist bullshit thought up by white racists to inflict upon fellow American citizens, just cause they had African ancestry.

 

something tells me you have zero problem whatsoever with the persecution and discrimination that black Americans suffered during Jim Crow. Am I right?

 

I’m not sure if you just don’t know what you’re talking about or you didn’t actually read my post.

The numbers I used were for slaveowning states. Less than 6% of white southerners owned slaves at the height of slavery. If I was using the totality of the US including non-slaveholding states that number would be 2%.

 

Also I call BS on your claims of harsher sentencing is controlled for with those three factors. I challenge you OR ANYONE ELSE to provide a verifiable study which controls for those three factors and still shows a disproportionate sentencing structure against blacks.

Dont worry. I’ll wait.

 

Pretty sure Africans were engaging in slavery and oppression for thousands of years longer than whites and STILL are today.

If any group is a master of oppression and slavery it’s the blacks. It just so happens that for a couple hundred years we made them feel the pain of their oppressive, brutal trade for themselves and apparently they didn’t like it very much.

 

Actually I think it was wrong. Just like you should think discrimination against whites is wrong but you don’t.

But I will point this FACT out. Bear with me because I’m confident you haven’t heard this one before. How did Africans become our slaves?

They became slaves through tribal warfare. Let’s personify the African slaves for moment and we will call them Kunta (because of roots obviously). How did Kunta become a slave? He became a slave because Kuntas tribe went to war with another tribe and got into a battle and Kuntas tribe loss. So poor Kunta was enslaved, sold to whites and then transported over here to be slaves.

But what would have happened if Kuntas tribe had WON that battle instead of lost? He would have enslaved the other tribe and sold them to whites as slaves. Kunta was in fact a slave trader. He just happened to lose the battle that time. Kunta and his entire tribe had most likely been engaging in the slave trade for generations, enslaving other blacks and selling them to other tribes, the ottomans or whites.

So in reality, we were enslaving brutal, oppressive and HIGHLY experienced slavers. I’m not sure why you have a problem with that. Isn’t that what you folks on the left call justice?

 

I’m guessing you got that from this debunked meme.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/07/percent-of-whites-owned-slaves/

“Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders. Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders.”

“Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to account for any of the demographic differences in sentencing. Black male offenders received sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders, accounting for violence in an offender’s past.”

“Using rich new linked data that allow us to address the sample selection problems and other limitations that have pervaded prior research, this paper provides robust evidence that black male federal arrestees ultimately face longer prison terms than whites arrested for the same offenses with the same prior records. This disparity arises from disparities in the intensive but not in the extensive margin of incarceration. Observed case and defendant characteristics are capable of completely explaining the large raw disparities in incarceration, but not in the length of incarceration.”



https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2413&context=articles

 

I think you have it down pretty good- and the right conclusion is obvious. The wrong conclusion is politically a working tool for some people- and being used as a free pass for even more wrongdoing.
We should all take note of those who support that free pass, who look right at the crimes and turn a blind eye, who prosecute or condemn the victims instead of the criminals- and ask ourselves why any honorable person would tolerate them, let alone vote for them.

 

Africans were capturing other Africans as slaves for sale, and transporting them across the desert to north Africa in caravans at least 1000 years before the first Euopeans came to Africa.
In Angola/Gambia, which is the region most new-world slaves come from, slavery was allowed until the early 1900's, when they replaced it with a slightly different arrangement called forced labor service. This continued into the later 1950's when a civil war broke out that lasted 30 years and resulted in somewhere between 500,000 and a million deaths. IF a person taken as a new world slave 250 years ago had not been taken, his descendants would be today living in a country with income averaging $260 a month, mostly dirt floors and thatch roof huts, about 50% literacy and about the same percentage of people having access to potable water.

Of the roughly 12 million captured as slaves for the new world- only 340,000 came to north America; the rest went to south America and the Carribean islands. That's less than 4% of all slaves captured in that period. Unfortunately the core countries of Africa, despite vast resources of gold, diamonds, oil and other things remain poor and brutal nations, still ruled by warlords, dictators and despots- who hold control over the wealth from those resources as well as the people. Many have kings in ruling dynasties that have held power for centuries. They also have what the UN calls called "Transnational Organized Crime", a kind of loosely organized network bridging many African nations that involves itself in drug trafficking, advanced fee and Internet fraud, human trafficking, diamond smuggling, forgery, cigarette smuggling, illegal manufacture of firearms, trafficking in firearms, armed robbery and the theft and smuggling of oil. The daughter of the leader of Angola was for example in charge of the national oil operations, and in one day smuggled out 57 million dollars to off-shore bank accounts, leaving the national oil account with about $500. It's estimated that about 75 million people pay bribes every year in sub-saharan Africa, because regardless of the nature of your crime, you can pay off police and courts to ignore it and avoid punishment. Corruption creates and increases poverty and exclusion. While corrupt individuals with political power enjoy a lavish life, millions of Africans are deprived of their basic needs like food, health, education, housing, access to clean water and sanitation.

Slavery is something that most of the world has engaged in at one time or another, but over time most nations, like America have eliminated it and given equal rights and freedom to all men of any color.
Arguably, the place in the world that has done the least for it's people, other than North Korea- are the Central African nations where most slaves came from, and most people still struggle for basic survival.
Perhaps, America is not such a bad place for black people to live after all. Only the accident of their ancestors being taken and then landing in America determined if they would live here today- or in today's Africa.

 

No actually I got it from the 1860 census. Which BTW is why snopes is garbage. Hot, smelly garbage.

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1864/dec/1860a.html

Neither of those controlled for whether or not the offender had a lawyer or a public defender which is THE most important statistic as to why blacks get more severe sentencing for a crime. As I’ve already stated.

 

If you had bothered to look at the more in depth study it does account for many factors such as public defenders and still sees a discrepancy in sentencing.

“Having publicly appointed counsel does not explain any of the racial disparity in sentencing at any decile within the subsample for which counsel type is recorded.”

Guess it’s time for you to move the goal posts again.

You also linked the wrong census report, you should have liked the report on agriculture.
https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1860/agriculture/1860b-09.pdf?#

So someone (obviously not you, since you don’t understand your own sources) took the total number of slaveowners and compared it to total white population to come up with a percentage of owners in the most simpleton way of interpreting statistics. So even 20 year old Jimmy who directs the overseer on his dad’s plantation is not counted as a slaveowner because his dad is the one who owns the slaves.

This endless defense of flawed statistics is driven by either a neo-confederate agenda or a profound ignorance of southern agriculture and economy in the antebellum period.

 

Lol how about you use a report that didn’t look at statistics from 2006-2008, not to mention one that only used public defender statistics from 38% of the cases they looked at, most of which weren’t violent by their own admission.

And by the way, which of the two reports are we to believe?

The first one which states:

“Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to account for any of the demographic differences in sentencing. Black male offenders received sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders, accounting for violence in an offender’s past in fiscal year 2016, the only year for which such data is available. This figure is almost the same as the 20.7 percent difference without accounting for past violence. Thus, violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed to any extent beyond its contribution to the offender’s criminal history score determined under the sentencing guidelines.
Or the second one which states:

“We find that the majority of the disparity between black and white sentences can be explained by differences in legally permitted characteristics, in particular, the arrest offense and the defendant’s criminal history. Black arrestees are also disproportionately concentrated in federal districts that have higher sentences in general. Yet even after we control for these and other prior characteristics, an unexplained black-white sentence disparity of approximately 9 percent remains in our main sample.”

Just wondering which one is correct. Does prior violence explain the majority of the discrepancy as the second source claims or none at all as the first source claims?

 

I was driving in the car and clicked the wrong link. Get over yourself.

Your position is the single most absurd, preposterous and dishonest argument possible.

If 20 year old Johnny walks the dog owned by his dad every day, does that make Johnny a dog owner if we are tabulating how many Americans own dogs even though he doesn’t own the dog?

If 20 year old Johnny drives his dads car to school every day, washes it and takes care of it, does that make Johnny a car owner even though he doesn’t own the car?

If 20 year old Johnny lives in his dads house, cleans it and takes care of it, does that make Johnny a homeowner?

Or do you only make that dishonest argument when you’re attempting to inflate the number of slaveowners in the south?

 

Both sources do claim a disparity.

“Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to account for any of the demographic differences in sentencing.”

It notices the difference in sentencing, violent criminal history does not show an impact when comparing like cases.

This statement:
“We find that the majority of the disparity between black and white sentences can be explained by differences in legally permitted characteristics, in particular, the arrest offense and the defendant’s criminal history.”

Is talking about comparing raw data, where most of the discrepancy can be understood by prior offenses, however it still states a difference when comparing similar circumstances.

“Yet even after we control for these and other prior characteristics, an unexplained black-white sentence disparity of approximately 9 percent remains in our main sample.”

I have no interest in inflating numbers, I am only interested in using the most effective method of determining slave ownership.

And you are aware that the whole household will claim ownership of the dog, right?

Also, stay safe, don’t text and drive.

 

Given the absurdly high rate of violent crime coming from the black community:

Blacks make up less than 13% of the total population and yet they commit approximately:

50% of the total murder
40% of the total assault
30% of the total rape
55% of the total robberies and
40% of the total violent arson

When you also consider that the VAST majority of that violent crime comes from black males who make up 5% of the total population, don’t you think that 9% difference might come from an attempt to curb and discourage said violent, criminal behavior?

One last thing to provide more evidence of an attempted crackdown on black male violence, If it’s just a race issue, then why do black women receive less of a sentence in EVERY comparison to white men?

 

"Peaceful BLM protest" of the Danish Brotherhood Lodge (charitable organization) in Kenosha.



Danish Brotherhood Lodge before BLM burned it. BLM is a barrel of Marxist batshat.