The Book of Revelation and the Bible

What do you have against Revelation?

 

What has that got to do with liberal?
And your reference to Hitler I find very stupid and tasteless.
Why must people without arguments always bring Hitler on stage?

 

I have said it often and clearly enough.

 

The logic of the book of Revelation:

One day Christ will return.
It will come like a thief in the night. No one knows when it will happen.
Here are a bunch of vague signs that you can use to know when it will happen.
BTW people in multiple eras will interpret the signs to mean that they are living in the end times.

 

Care to link to some of that? I've seen none of it.

 

Everyone knows that one day their sins, misconduct or simply how one lives ones life will catch up with them or in some fashion or way necessitate addressing. It is not a foreign concept. After reading a good part of Revelations, I am convinced it best to address the matter before the fact. I do know that no matter ones wealth, possessions, strength, education, science or what have you...that ones greatest blessing is the nearness of God, should he be near. Such that ones heart is inclined to God and not to life or the multitude of blessings therein.

 

Agree that at the end of days one's deeds will be weighed on the scales of Justice .. No idea how this relates to Revelations though ?

 

A number of things but one of the main ones is that the Church Fathers -- a whole lot of them - believed it was spurious - hence why it had such a rough ride into cannon.

Another is that Revelations was someone's dream - that was interpreted to have something to do with Christianity . We could do the same with Nostradamas .. and many others .. and at the time .. there was all kinds of apocraphyl writing - many folks having visions.

 

Because Hitler had a agenda, just like anyone who wants to take thing out of Scripture. I;m sure there are liberals that are offended on verses regarding homosexuality. Illiberals and Progressives do not like a lot of stuff in the Bible. Things simple as pronouns they want to change. My reference to Hitler has everything to d with it. Hitler burned the Old Testament. He did not like the concept of "mercy". He thought that was weakness.

 

Daniel interpreted some pretty strange dreams. In fact, he told the dreamer what he was dreaming.

 

So it's about time. Speed up the process.

 

It is obvious that you have never read the Bible.

If you are so inclined, which I doubt, you should take some time and start reading from Exodus chapter 19, just to set the stage, and continue till the end of Exodus chapter 34. Get some sheets of blank paper and a pen, or pencil, and summarize what you read every few verses in your own words. Take your time and pay attention to what you read and be sure to summarize the verses in your own words. You will see that the commandments in Exodus 20 were verbal and were not written on stone tablets. You will see that Moses went up and down the mountain like a mountain goat and that he brought his buddies up with him to have a picnic with the God character. You will read how the God character gave Moses all kinds of decorating tips and instructions for animal sacrifices. You will get to Exodus 31:18 before Moses get the stone tablets.

In Exodus chapter 32 the people need to worship something or else they would lose their minds so they get Aaron to make them a god. Of course, Aaron gets all of their gold to do so and the people start having a wild party celebrating their freedom of religion. God and Moses hear the noise and Gods gets pissed and wants to go on one of his killing sprees. After all, he had done a lot of work giving Moses a ton of detailed instructions. Moses tells God to chill and let him do the killing and Moses goes down the mountain lugging the stone tablets. When he sees the people exercising their freedom of religion he goes bonkers, breaks the stone tablets, and gets his thugs to kill about 3,000 people.

In Exodus chapter 33 God and Moses do some wheeling and dealing and become best buds again.

Then, in Exodus chapter 34, God tells Moses to chip out two new stone tablets and to lug them up the mountain. In Exodus 34:10 God makes the promise about the miracles and in verses 34:11-26 reveals the Ten Commandments. Once again, Moses is out of sight for 40 days and 40 nights without food or water but he lugs the heavy stone tablets down the mountain without breaking them. They haven't been seen since.

Now pay special attention to Exodus 34:28 (KJV) = "28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

All Bible versions, Protestant and Catholic, had the Apocryphal books until the early 1880's when the racist bigots Westcott & Hort succeed in getting them deleted from the new English Revised Version (ERV) Bible.
http://rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-removed-from-the-bible-in-1881/

There are countless articles on Westcott & Hort.

So, in conclusion, you need to know what the real Ten Commandments are - Exodus 34:11-26 - and you need to understand Ezra's whine -
2 Esdras 6:55-59 - in order to understand the biblical stories. All of the biblical stories are based on one or more of the real Ten Commandments and all of the stories are related to answering Ezra's whine.

 

Here is your reading assignment = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews 12:6
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Proverbs 23:14

 

Some people would be lost if they didn't have Hitler to blame for everything.

 

The two are different in many ways .. on many levels. - first and foremost is that we don't have numerous church fathers claiming the document "Spurious" .. the word Eusebius used.. Second is that we don't have prophecy - that has been fulfilled - to the same degree.

I personally believe that prophecy comes from time to time. - just don't believe that everything claimed to be prophetic is attributed properly .. some fellow has a dream .. attaches a bunch of meaning to it based on previous religious belief .. all the apocalyptic things he/she sees --- attributes to his favorite God ..

Was it the "Most High" calling ? .. we have to guess -- Is here perhaps some prophetic things in this fellows dream .. perhaps .. but is it attributed properly - the names he gives to his vision.. and the background story that he will attribute to what ever he saw.

Tough thing about Revelations is that at the time there were all kinds of folks having these -- the Gnostics - it was an initiation thing .. had to write your own little gospel.. go on a vision quest a.... bada lang ... kind of similar to what Pentecostals do .. in a small way..

Now some of these .. came from stories that were floating around at the time .. Gnostic Gospels.. which are interesting .. looking for bits and Pieces of HeyZeus. ..

So .. 1) Hard to get around the opinion of Eusebius .. and obvioulsy a whole lot of others given the trouble Revelations had to go through to make it in..... Spurious
2) Given there were so many of these apocalyptic narratives around .. kind of puts another nail .. was kind of part of the collective consciousness of the day .. and Pious Fraud was accepted to some degree

 

There were no "J" words in ancient times. Using J words in English to denote a person or place in ancient times is historically inaccurate and very misleading and compromises the credibility of the speaker and the writer, if the person wants to be taken seriously. The cumulative effect is that reality is distorted.

 

I actually like some books of the Bible, such as Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Apocrypha.

The best advice you can drum into a kid is found in Proverbs 1:10-19 =https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs+1:10-19&version=CEV

 

Can’t say I agree. Wiser men than you or I refer to Julius Caesar or Jesus or Jehovah with a J.

 

The return of the hero at some point in the future to save the people is a common theme in myths and legends. We see this in myth of King Arthur, Mithra, Maitreya, Jesus, etc.

 

You are giving me a headache. Google the letter "J" and discover when it became part of the alphabet. Calling someone a "J" name before around 1630 AD is like calling a chariot a Jeep. And the Jesus character did not get the name Jesus until around 1630 when a couple of con men gave the original character the new name that they pulled out of their butts when they revised the Bible. All of the major Bible characters got new user-friendly names to make the story more relatable to modern people.

You can discover the origin of words using the www.etymonline.com site.

 

Are you saying that the whole Jewish Tanach was written as an answer to 2 Esdras?

By "apocrypha" I didn't mean the 14 books you mention. I meant a lot of other gospels and writings, some used by certain sects, that didn't make it at all in the canon.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/apocrypha

 

You aren’t telling me anything I don’t know. I just don’t see why it is relevant or why you would judge someone for pronouncing words normally for their language. In English we use the hard J sound but in other languages it’s a soft I sound. So what?

 

No? Revelations in large part speaks of Gods judgments on mankind. Whether in our days or not, we are mankind. I prefer not to be found wanting, sporting the mark of the beast, or so entangled in wickedness as to not be able to extricate myself from it. The plagues and woes are for the cause of repentance. And I had rather now than then, labor according to the forewarning of Johns visions, and die in God grace while it is offered, than to risk perishing in open rebellion and utter shame after that window of opportunity closes. But that's just me as I suppose it to be akin to Noah's flood. I had rather be found within than lost without. I pray that all could know that God is real and that he lives. And that it is not vain to place ones hope, love, and trust in him.

 

That isn't how it works.

 

Of course Revelations has a judgement narrative .. how does this relate to whether or not the book should be removed.. it doesn't. What we are after is whether or not Revelations is legitimate revelation .. that it has a judgment narrative does not help us