The North Pole just surged above freezing in the dead of winter, stunning scientists

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  1. MrTLegal

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    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...n-the-dead-of-winter-stunning-scientists.html

    For those looking for a direct measurement, The northernmost permanent weather station in the world has warmed to 43°F today -- in the middle of months-long darkness during what is normally the coldest time of the year. NASA also released a timelapse of the arctic ice melting over the last 25 years to demonstrate and explain how we are seeing older, thicker ice being replaced by newer, thinner ice.

    One of the aspects we need to recognize about man made climate change is that the planet is not being affected the same in all regions. The arctics, especially, are feeling the effects of global warming much more rapidly than the rest of the planet. And since the arctic caps act like a thermostat for the rest of the planet, that is extremely bad news.
     
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    Welp, better steal some more wealth from the middle class and industries that don't vote Democrat and then redistribute it to the UN and to people who donate to Democrat campaigns.

    After all, those swanky UN galas where celebutards fly their private jets around the globe to collect awards for demanding other people make changes they refuse to make wont pay for themselves.

    I mean, do we really want to live in a world where donating to a campaign doesn't come with a reward of a government "green technology" loan that can be defaulted on without penalty and allow the donors to walk away with the cash?

    And while we're at it lets pass laws that regulate how much we can run out air conditioner, and what car we can drive, and oh btw here's $12/gallon gas prices, and completely ignore the fact that the entire AGW hysteria is a scam built upon a mountain of "evidence" that is 100%, listen closely, 100% theoretical.
     
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    The anomaly explained...

    "While there are no direct measurements of temperature there, Zack Labe, a climate scientist working on his PhD at the University of California at Irvine, confirmed that several independent analyses showed “it was very close to freezing,” which is more than 30 C above normal."....

    Yeah... sure... The model broke... But by golly, lets get those dykes built....
     
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    Aha, scientists are stunned once again, their models have failed once again.... but we are supposed to blindly believe their claims and their models.
     
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    How did they fail?
     
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    I've been following the Arctic conditions all winter. Sunday morning it was warmer at the North Pole than it was at my house. Also, a week or two ago a commercial shipping vessel crossed the Arctic in the dead of winter for the first time ever without an icebreaker. Needless to say Arctic sea ice will break yet another record for the lowest wintertime maximum extent this year. It'll be interesting to see all of the different ways people will deny this happened.
     
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    Miserably lol. If they correctly predicted the phenomena, they wouldn't be stunned by it... as it stands, all their models fail and all their predictions are worthless.
     
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    Your effort to troll this thread are noted and dismissed.
     
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    I provided you a link to a direct measurement of the northernmost permanent research station.
     
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    Speaking of hysteria, literally NOTHING you wrote is true.
     
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    Oooof...that logic is really quite terrible.
     
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    I see. So "it's worse than we thought" means "everything we thought is wrong." Only in anti-science denier land.
     
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    Oh...so you're one those types that expects 100% perfect and precise predictions otherwise everything is a failure?

    The fact is that scientists predicted that the Arctic would warm faster than the rest of the world. Yes, they used computer models as supporting evidence for this prediction. It turns out the models were right about it and a bunch of other things. What they got wrong was the magnitude of the warming and the sea ice melt. They underestimated sea ice melt by a lot. At this rate there's no way that 2050 IPCC consensus on the first ice free Arctic year is going to be correct. We'll be lucky if we make it to 2040.
     
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    And Al Gore predicted Armageddon by 2016, things turned out a tad better than they thought....

    the point is, their models and predictions are random, sometimes better, sometimes worse... which makes them useless and unscientific .
     
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    Al Gore cited one of the most extreme outcomes of one of the most extreme models as a possibility. All of the models make predictions about the future with a margin of error. If you choose to ignore the existence of a margin of error, then it is a lot easier to claim that the models are inaccurate. If you accept and use the margins of error, you realize that the models are largely correct.
     
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    When Labe says "direct measurements" he is talking about surface stations. There is no surface station at the North Pole. However, he does specifically mention a surface station in northern Greenland that confirms analysis/reanalysis values. Also, the North Pole is not devoid of measurements. There is plenty of remotely sensed measurements taken there. These are assimilated by analysis/reanalysis. The North Pole is, in fact, anomalously warm. Declining Arctic sea ice extents (which are breaking records as we speak) make a great natural thermometer that confirms that our data collection systems are grounded in reality. The Arctic is warming really fast. That is an undeniable fact.
     
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    There has been a gazilion of failed predictions and totally wrong models.... sorry but it's NOT science when it gets so many things so wrong.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/30/some-failed-climate-predictions
     
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    And even more that have been correct and spot-on.

    What an adorably ignorant thing to say.
     
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    This has been expected for a decade or more and it is too late to do anything about it. The sky is not falling and it wouldn't matter if it were. We humans are incapable of even agreeing on ANYTHING, let alone working together to accomplish stuff. Whatever is going to happen has free reign and the general signs indicate it wont be very pleasant....fortunately I will be dead by then.
     
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    Right.... It's like throwing the darts, some will hit the mark.... it ain't no science though when your accuracy can't reach 50%.
     

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