The Republicans, the Destroyer of Worlds

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have evidently never run a business or had to meet a payroll. Or give a rat's rear about the millions of average families that were totally screwed over by Obamacare.

    The lessons of history should make it crystal clear that SOCIALISM is nothing more than a feudal system where the elites control the consumption.
    It is no different than having a nearly starving family while you can visually see plenty of deer running around on the king's hunting reserve.

    The worst aspect of the Obamacare mess consisted in the closing down of numerous blood banks all over the country due to the Medicare reimbursement fiasco that the Obama administration bureaucrats created and imposed.
    It resulted in at least 250,000 needless deaths.
    In other words, lack of service is the killer and exactly what all of the socialistic healthcare programs have imposed on their citizens. Our own VA is perfect example of the limited access that would occur under a single payer system.
    Meanwhile, the elites would just continue to buy the services outside of their national systems.
     
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  3. Dayton3

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    The U.S. conducted air strikes and battleship bombardments in the aftermath of the Beirut barracks bombings. And no, you can look it up.

    And I won't take the word of one of Clinton's flunky nominees as being the last word on President Reagan.
     
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    What an extremely disjointed posted. You're all over the map here.

    So let's begin with:
    I have worked on the frontlines for healthcare insurance companies explaining to people like yourself the details of the ACA since its inception. Exactly how big is your business? If it's a small business under 25 employees, then yes, it is indeed a major headache, which is why the public option would have benefitted you the most. In fact, I think the whole burden of placing insurance on employers's backs is a major issue, which is why if you think about it, transferring that responsibility to the government would be better. For companies over 200 employees, they have far more leverage and depending on the business, can self fund their own insurance plans which are far more cost effective than farming it out to an insurance carrier. Then again, each business and its employees have to determine that based upon their needs.

    This comment is out of left field. If by "socialism" you mean single payer, then Canada, UK, and a large majority of democratic countries around the world are socialist by your definition because they prescribe to a single payer system. Bottom line is we pay 5x more for than those countries do for healthcare, yet we do not get any better healthcare for it.

    No idea what you are referencing here. Citation needed to clarify your point.

    I cannot comment on the VA program as I am not familiar with it, however, Medicare (for 65+) is indeed an example of a single payer system and many seniors (the largest growing demographic in our country) are quite happy with it. We can use the existing system and tweak it for those under 65.
     
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    Not so. I think you are either under informed or misinformed.
     
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    Answers above in italics.
     
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    Actually I'm better informed than you, the program was little more than a giant middle class tax. You have your head buried in the sand.
     
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    Most of the costs of the Iraq war are salaries that would have had to be paid regardless of whether we are at war or not.
     
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    Why should anyone take you seriously when you repeat this blatant lie. It has been proven that Trump waves his arms around like that at other times, as he did toward Cruz.
     
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    Take my sister for example. Worked full time for a local lawyer. When the employee mandate hit, her hours were cut to 25 from 40. She currently can't afford healthcare. I've heard so many horror stories from people who make too much for subsidies. Hundreds of dollars for plans with 5,6,10 thousand deductible. Money flushed down the toilet, yet the insurance companies say they are losing money??? Where the hell is it going? The only people who benefit are those who are being supported by the people getting screwed.
     
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    When is this OP and other left wingers going to stop with the hatred of Trump and republicans? It only proves how childish and ignorant they are, since it changes nothing.
     
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    That's the laughable excuse meme that has been issued by Trump and ideological entertainers for his cult to parrot - that the p-grabber viciously mocks everybody, but no one else is swallowing it.

    Of course, Trump is correct that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and his worshipful bum kissers would not care. Their zealotry vanquishes both morality and reason.

    Sad, very sad.
     
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    Isn't that something? Who would have thought the so many were so desperate and gullible. This phenomenon is not Republican, it's much more vile & insipid.
     
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    I expect that Republicans with integrity will increasingly confront Trump's squalid behaviour - if for no nobler reason than the consequences of Trumpery for the mid-term elections.
     
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    Yes, salaries had to be paid regardless of whether we were at war, but salaries were a small part of the costs of that totally unnecessary war. For a small example: what about the costs of. . .transferring over half million military personnel across the ocean en force; building the facilities to house them there, building the additional weapons and munitions needed to carry the war forward, organizing and assembling the medical facilities necessary to care for the wounded (ours and theirs and civilians), etc., etc.
     
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    most of that was built from locally available sources by engineers attached at various command levels. The majority of the costs were still salaries. Shipping costs are limited because of government programs that have been in existence for years. At the height of the Irag war we were spending roughly 100 billion a year in excess of our usual budget to fund the war. Most years the actual funding for the actual war was substantial. We know because war was funded through supplemental appropriations. In terms of of body counts, cost and virtually any other way you choose too look at Iraq is probably the cheapest we've fought in more than a hundred years as a percent of gdp
     
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    You're hatred for trump causes you believe vile things not because they are true, but rather because you wish them to be true. In fact you need them to be true to justify your hatred for Trump.
     
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    Trump makes gestures like that all the time, whether referring to a reporter, a general, Ted Cruz, or even himself. It's just his mannerism, and has nothing to do with some reporter's disability. Below is a video which proves this.

     
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    No what created the vacuum was Obama Policies post Bush. The failure to even try to negotiate a residual force policy in Iraq, the Libyan Fiasco and lastly his asinine red lines in Syria. Those three thing allowed the cancer that was Al Qaeda to metastasize and mutate into the even nastier ISIS
     
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    This is why Republicans won.

    It isn't hard for Republicans to win when this is the kind of stuff put up by their opponents - extreme hyperbole and the worst exaggerations and pointlessly grandiose statements, they sound too narrow-minded for a religious text.
     
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    Uh, common sense?
     
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    What an interesting straw man.
     
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    It's hilarious. The lowlife cruelly mocks a handicapped reporter for not backing up his absurd lie about "thousands and thousands!" of terrorist cheerleaders in New Jersey, Americans are disgusted by the lowlife's squalid behaviour, so the best that the right-wing blogbog can do is issue the meme to their squawking parrots that amounts to, "Hey! He's just a real ay-whole! He's vicious to everybody that gets him is a snit!"


    Even his groveling cult who, by his own admission would not care if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, must have a hard time spouting this nonsense with a straight face.
     
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    If you "hate" politicians, that is your concern. If you wish your Meissiah's documented repugnant behaviour to be a baseless, widely-shared fantasy, there is no reason why you can't imagine thousands and thousands cheering your devotion in New Jersey.
     
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    Projection is something that birthers and alt-right thinkers suffer from. The new republican party is now filled with those folk.
     
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