The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

I am truly impressed AlpinLuke! You are absolutely correct….. there are parts of North Africa that cannot economically be turned green but……… there are other areas where the situation is different. I believe that we should plan on turning the areas green first…….. .that will be the easiest and least expensive to turn green……. unless the political climate there is so bad that we cannot work with that particular nation yet.

 

I can understand why you would tend to think this….. .but have you heard about what Geoff Lawton and his team were able to accomplish on a small parcel of land in the nation of Jordan?

I was impressed by the comments that he made that the farmers there were making a terrible error to burn the stock from last years crop whereas they should have been using it as a mulch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzTHjlueqFI
Greening the Desert with Geoff Lawton, Original and Update: 1 of 4

 

The same thing happens here in Nova Scotia but…….. we humans may have our priorities somewhat off from what is best for the land over the long term.

Perhaps we will learn within a few decades that the work performed for free for us by beavers actually has far more value than we have yet realized?????

 

The founders of New Orleans were largely the victims of the political situation of the time.

The most choice land is chosen by the victors in a conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Acadians

…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans

 

The history channel had a good story on the Sahara, it seems it turns green and has lakes and rivers, lush vegetation every 10,000 years or so depending on the tilt of the earth. The program had satellite images and everything as to where the lakes and rivers once ran. The Sahara was home to hippos and giraffes and all sorts of other animals.

http://www.astrobio.net/news-exclusive/how-earths-orbital-shift-shaped-the-sahara/

http://beforeitsnews.com/environmen...nd-lush-less-than-5000-years-ago-2466884.html

http://www.livescience.com/28493-when-sahara-desert-formed.html

It was an outstanding program.

 

Fascinating information!

- See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/news-exclus...shift-shaped-the-sahara/#sthash.ysHXWkdm.dpuf

This fits in extremely well with another question that has been on my mind.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...conservatives-worry-about-climate-change.html
HAB Theory and getting Conservatives to worry about climate change!
Dr. Albert Einstein took The HAB Theory very seriously:

http://www.habtheory.com/1/100.php

 

I thought it was. I think the name of the show was "How the Earth Was Made." Here are some of the programs/episodes they had.

http://www.history.com/shows/how-the-earth-was-made/episodes/season-1

http://www.history.com/shows/how-the-earth-was-made/episodes

The history channel is showing reruns of the above, but it is still interesting as all get out.

 

I have read a powerful case that one of the greatest threats is the West Antarctic Ice Sheet because it is mostly below sea level and is therefore highly vulnerable to rapid collapse.

Image A and B here are sobering indeed!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090205142132.htm
Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater

 

Interesting. Perhaps you are right about Washington D.C., certainly Florida. But portions of Antarctica has been free of ice before if not the whole thing. Ever hear of The Piri Reis map.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm

Here is a puzzle, modern technology has proved the terrine features under the ice are correct. So who drew the map and how did someone know of Antarctica itself 200 years or more before it was discovered and what the ground looked like before being covered by ice?

I know, I know, I should be worried about Washington D.C. being flooded. But stuff like the Sahara and Antarctica really fascinate me. This question in at the end of the last paragraph keeps me wondering: Who mapped the Queen Maud Land of Antarctic 6000 years ago? Which unknown civilization had the technology or the need to do that?

This old earth goes in cycles and what is to come has happened before. Mankind may not have been here then, but I have to wonder if man learns from the past. Perhaps there was an unknown technological advanced civilization prior to us humans being able to walk up right and disappeared either because of their technology or they did something quite stupid. Who knows?

 

And all they do is start topless bars and make bad jokes about themselves

This strikes me as sort of like Virgin Spaceways. and/or the various Space Elevator companies Largely a sort of good sounding semi-con game to part rich people from their money, but also maybe a real research project and one HELL of an amazingly rich ground floor investment if something real is proven actually feasible. Problem there is government will come in and take the whole thing over if that comes about; one of the major advantages of having soldiers

 

Some areas can be recovered, but not all the region. I make reference to the areas which could be reached by wide networks of irrigation and which could get benefits from the creation of artificial basins. But also in this perspective there is the obstacle of the international cooperation to find [similar works would involve more than one country, since they should be realized on the territory of several states].

 

Why not instead focus on California as a test run for greening desert....No international headaches, no risk of water wars, and significantly more capital to invest.

 

A number of good plans have been put forward but the Green community of California is so against any form of Geo-engineering that they prevented those plans from being done.

Other than for this problem……. you are obviously correct, California would be a great place to start with……………… but, would the geological faults there be an issue though?

How would the extra weight of the water in the water table of California affect the amount of pressure on the San Andreas Fault?

Would pipelines of desalinated water going to Nevada be a better plan????

 

Well said….. which is why I began this discussion with the quotation of an Islamic prophecy that corresponds well with Isaiah chapter 35.

Isaiah 35:1
¶
"The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose."

….Isa 35:7
"And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes."
…..

The part here about money becoming abundant………… is obviously a big part of how this can be accomplished………. AlpinLuke…. if you increase the money supply in North America by a trillion dollars at the same time that you increase the supply of food, clothing, shelter and other commodities and services by more than a trillion dollars……. does this increase in the money supply automatically lead to inflation?

Wiser monetary policy can be used to finance massive projects such as turning deserts on such a large scale that we could even temporarily lower ocean levels, in order to create a buffer zone for the time when more rapid cracking and sliding of ice in the WAIS and Greenland begin.

http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...etary-policy-central-american-revolution.html
Is it historically accurate that monetary policy was central to American Revolution?


America Created It's
Own Money In 1750
How Benjamin Franklin Made
New England Prosperous
By Congressman Charles G. Binderup
Copyright © 1941

…

 

I was rather hoping to convince Mitt Romney, Kevin O'Leary and the Sharks to approach this crisis as a database problem.

Doing so could drastically reduce the burden on the existing number of taxpayers and perhaps bring tens of thousands of younger highly motivated taxpayers into our economy.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=401463&page=2&p=1065037687#post1065037687
Would Mitt Romney as President in 2016 inspire Iran to scrap nuclear weapon plans?

http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...ts-take-937-those-syrian-refugees-canada.html
Mr. Justin Trudeau, let's take 937 of those Syrian refugees to Canada?

 

I either read somewhere or heard in a documentary that members of the LDS community have some major connections in Las Vegas.

Billions or even a trillion "Mitt Romney Volunteerism Hours"…….. (see post #40 above), if they became accepted by some of the casinos……………. could soon have a quite stable value that Americans could rely on.

If Mitt could somehow negotiate a test project that would put much more water into Nevada……………… this could be a win - win - win - win situation for virtually everybody concerned.

Another option would be for Mitt to print up these "Volunteerism Hours" in the name of his dad……. now how old would his dad be back in 1939 at the time that the M. S. St. Louis passed by the shores of Nova Scotia, Canada????

 

I just noticed that I haven't yet added the Carl Cantrell theory on climate stabilization to this discussion........

 

This update also explains how this relates to the drought in California......

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/19/sahara-forest-project-grows-food-biofuel/

Sahara Forest Project Grows Food, And Biofuel

 

You are chasing the wrong end of a feedback loop, Dennis. Ice core samples over 10,000 years pretty consistently show that the temperature changes occur before the CO2 releases, not as a result of it. By looking indirectly at notrogen instead of the CO2, they have narrowed the window from about 1,400 years to 200 years i.e. the CO2 increases today are caused by the warming coming out of the Little Ice Age.

 

I get the impression that you would be in agreement then with the comment on climate change made by AboveAlpha?

 

The earliest metal age was the cause of the greatest deforestation. North Africa. Middle East.

Oh, and follow that up with the Christian sorts who found forests dark and evil and chopped them down.
The deforestation of Western Europe.
Today there are no old growth forests between the Atlantic and the Mississippi where it was said a
squirrel could travel that distance just along the tree tops.

Yes to forestation but,
what are you gonna do with the excess salt of desalination?
Raise the salinity of the oceans?


Moi


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Problems

Are Ice Core Samples a reliable system to determine atmospheric composition?
Do gases diffuse in ice evenly or favor polarity or molecular size?

What about the dinosaur era and CO2 being 5 times higher? The oysters survived!

And what could peoplekind have done way back to provoke those CO2 spikes?
I refuse to feel so insignificant not to take responsibility for all peoplekind.

Money spent on Ice Core Samples and atmospherics would be better spent on
perfecting the ice cube. Gimme more chill less dilution and longer lasting.


Moi

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No. I agree with there is nothing we can do. I disagree with the assertion that, "The Human generated emmisions of CO2 have warmed up the Earth's Ocean's and thus Air to a point that is CAUSING THE GEL FORM CH4 TO BUBBLE UP AND OUT INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE AS METHANE GAS!!!". Temperatures increase lead to melt offs that cause CO2 to be released. We are still at temperatures below those seen prior to the little ice age. CLimate has warming cycles and cooling cycles. We are in a warming cycle. Eventually we will return to a cooling cycle.

 

And where do intend to get the enormous amount of water needed to water the desert? Take it from those of us endowed with plenty of water, from those of us who spend half our lives in the rain? No one is getting my water, I earn it with day I spend in they cold and rain. Keep your deserts and your casinos, and we'll keep our water.

 

Sounds good. I like it.