This is what a coup investigation looks like.

I would love it if we could see ALL communications of ALL Congress on that day and before… a serious investigation would do just that…

 

Dream on. The only people responsible for the riot we're the rioters.

 

Sure. But holding the main instigator should be the main priority. Trump needs to be in jail or this WILL happen again.

 

Pelosi and Congressional oversight are the main instigators by not having a show of force ready to resist a crowd they knew was coming to protect the capitol... .. forewarned... and very capable of securing the capitol even if the "optics" of the guards was bad. Lack of security because of political decisions was what got Ashli killed.... not white supremist... non-lethal methods used everyday in the US was not used, and a lead bullet stopped Ashli instead of subduing a 5'2" 135 lb. women with non-lethal methods should have been done.

 

Even McTreason admitted........."There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." Don should have offered to pay for the legal defense of the rioters like he did the supporters at his rallies where violence was first encouraged by the orange MAGA god.

 

What nonsense! "Oversight" doesn't mean Pelosi can order the Capitol police what to do ahead of a meeting. But your lame attempt at an excuse does reveal that the right has run out of excuses.

 

Actually it does mean she has oversight of Capitol Police action…. She was asked for her permission to call in the guard on Jan. 6 while on the floor. She is responsible for the oversight of the security of the Capitol .

 

‘PATRIOTS 45 MAGA Gang’ Indicted For Allegedly Planning Violence On Jan. 6

Several now-charged Trump supporters who allegedly stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 previously used a Telegram group chat to conspire to commit violence on that day, prosecutors alleged in an indictment made public on Monday.

In a group chat titled “PATRIOTS 45 MAGA Gang,” 38-year-old Daniel Rodriguez, 26-year-old Edward Badalian and a third defendant whose name is redacted from the indictment allegedly discussed traveling to D.C. to disrupt Congress’ scheduled certification of the 2020 election results on Jan. 6. Rodriguez was allegedly the insurrectionist who assaulted Capitol Police officer Michael Fanone with an electroshock weapon.

On December 21, Badalian allegedly texted the group, “We need to violently remove traitors and if they are in key positions rapidly replace them with able bodied Patriots.” Several days later, he allegedly posted a map of the Eastern half of the U.S. marked with “rally points” to connect “patriot caravans” that were set to arrive in D.C. by 6:00 p.m. on Jan. 5, according to the filing.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/planned-violence-january-6-insurrection-telegram

I thought they were just tourists?

 

Meadows reaches initial cooperation deal with Jan. 6 committee

Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has reached an initial deal to cooperate with the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, providing documents and agreeing to testify before the panel.

“Mr. Meadows has been engaging with the Select Committee through his attorney. He has produced records to the committee and will soon appear for an initial deposition,” Chair Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said Tuesday.

“The Select Committee expects all witnesses, including Mr. Meadows, to provide all information requested and that the Select Committee is lawfully entitled to receive. The committee will continue to assess his degree of compliance with our subpoena after the deposition.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/583586-meadows-reaches-cooperation-deal-with-jan-6-committee

 

(CNN)The House Select Committee investigating the January 6 insurrection is poised to vote on a criminal contempt of Congress referral for former top Department of Justice official, Jeffrey Clark, the panel announced Monday.

The committee plans to meet Wednesday night to vote on a report recommending that the full House refer Clark to the Justice Department on criminal contempt charges. A House vote has not yet been scheduled.
If the committee moves to hold Clark in contempt, he would become the second person to potentially face criminal charges for refusing to provide critical information to investigators under subpoena.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/poli...inal-contempt-of-congress-referral/index.html

Lock 'em up.

 

House Jan. 6 Panel Sets Sights On Trump’s ‘Find The Votes’ Phone Call
The House Jan. 6 select committee interviewed Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R), whom Trump called in January to demand that the elections official magically “find” the votes needed for the then-president to steal the 2020 election from Biden, on Tuesday.

• The interview went on for more than four hours. Raffensperger told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he discussed Trump’s infamous call “and everything else leading into the election.”
• However, Raffensperger, a Republican, made it clear that he wasn’t out to be an ally in Democrats’ efforts to get to the bottom of the Capitol attack. He told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he wanted the panel to know that “looking backward isn’t helpful” and that there needs to be more focus on inflation and the border.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/fox-news-santa-shortage-blame-biden

 

The House panel investigating the deadly invasion of the U.S. Capitol aims to hold lengthy public hearings next year detailing “in vivid color” the events of Jan. 6, both at the Capitol and in former President Donald Trump’s White House, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said Thursday.

Cheney, the vice chair of the select committee and one of its two Republican members, said the panel aims to conduct “multiple weeks of public hearings” sometime in 2022, a year of crucial midterm elections where the GOP hopes to retake majority control of at least one chamber of Congress.

Those hearings will lay out “exactly what happened every minute of the day on Jan. 6 here at the Capitol and at the White House and what led to that violent attack,” Cheney said in a House Rules Committee hearing.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/jan...-white-house-response-in-public-hearings.html

 

Jeffrey Clark Plans To Take The 5th. What Does That Mean For The Jan. 6 Probe?

Jeffrey Clark, a former high-ranking Trump-era Justice Department official, has indicated he’ll invoke the Fifth Amendment in refusing to provide testimony to the Jan. 6 Committee — a significant move from a key behind-the-scenes player in Trump’s efforts to steal a second term.

As the committee pursues a contempt of Congress criminal referral for Clark, they’ve left him one last chance to testify during a deposition scheduled for Saturday. They’ll pursue the contempt referral, Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) said Thursday, “if Mr. Clark remains in defiance of the Select Committee’s subpoena.”

Clark’s raising his Fifth Amendment protections against self-incrimination is a revealing strategy for the former acting attorney general for the Justice Department’s Civil Division, observers told TPM.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime...e-5th-what-does-that-mean-for-the-jan-6-probe

 

Just wondering what the "nothing to see here" crowd thinks of Jeffrey Clark (one of Don's co-conspirators for the coup who tried to use the power of the DoJ to get states like GA to overturn the results of their election) and John Eastman (the guy who the memo dealing how the election could be stolen) invoking the 5th so as not to incriminate themselves?

 

Does anyone else think it's safe to assume Clark plans on pleading the 5th because he believes his activities with respect to getting GA election officials to change their slate of electors from supporting Biden's election, to supporting Trump's election, represents a criminal act?

 

Eastman takes the Fifth with Jan. 6 committee

“Members of this very Committee have openly spoken of making criminal referrals to the Department of Justice and described the Committee’s work in terms of determining “guilt or innocence,” Burnham continues. “Dr. Eastman has a more than reasonable fear that any statements he makes pursuant to this subpoena will be used in an attempt to mount a criminal investigation against him.”

Eastman’s decision is an extraordinary assertion by someone who worked closely with Trump to attempt to overturn the 2020 election results. He met with Trump and pushed state legislative leaders to reject Biden’s victory in a handful of swing states and appoint alternate electors to the Electoral College, effectively denying Biden’s victory.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/03/eastman-takes-the-fifth-with-jan-6-committee-523712

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=Jan...me..69i57.15984j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The AZCentral article (paywall protected) goes in to some detail (which I saw on MSNBC) about Eastman's effort to get AZ officials to do what Clark was trying to do in GA. Get state Repubs to send in electors supporting Trump even though Biden won the election there. This may explain Eastman's use of the 5th..........cuz..........you know.........illegal.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...cture-of-january-6-investigation-127875141542

 

I think it's as safe as slipping into a warm bath with a glass of wine and a loofah...

Had his 2nd chance at avoiding answering questions postponed from today to 12/16.

SNIP
"Through his attorney, Mr. Clark has informed the Select Committee of a medical condition that precludes his participation in tomorrow's meeting and he has provided ample evidence of his claim. Chairman Thompson has agreed to postpone the deposition until December 16th. Chairman Thompson wishes Mr. Clark well," select committee spokesperson Tim Mulvey said in a statement.
ENDSNIP

Medical Condition = A bad case of Indictmentitis...

What was it some former loser POTUS once said about the 5th Amendment?? Oh yeah...

SNIP
“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” T**** said during a campaign stop in Iowa late last September. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
ENDSNIP

 

I don't think the committee will be satisfied with a blanket 5th amendment claim from Eastman. I don't think you can avoid both appearing and requiring taking the 5th to INDIVIDUAL questions.

I expect them to move forward on a contempt claim against Eastman as well.

Although I obviously fear a return to ANY power by the fascists, I will enjoy laughing when their meaningless investigations are thwarted with the same shitty techniques...

 

I think that's right. Eastman may be able to refuse to answer incriminating questions but not all the questions the committee wants answers to fall under that category. While the 5th may be invoked legitimately in some instances mostly Trump's minions are trying to stonewall the investigation..............as Repubs are prone to doing.

 

Ben Ginsberg Issues Warning To Fellow Republicans About Law Governing Electoral Count

The Republican election lawyer Ben Ginsberg is calling on congressional Republicans to update the law that Donald Trump tried to manipulate to steal a second term.

The Electoral Count Act, which governs how Electoral College votes are tallied, is vulnerable to partisan attacks, as legal observers and Democrats have been saying for months.

On Sunday, Ginsberg argued that the 1887 law’s vague wording and application could be bad news for his own party.

“Republicans should not deceive themselves by thinking the current state of this law automatically works to their advantage,” he wrote in National Review. “While many of them used it offensively on January 6, 2021, they did so because they were trailing in Electoral College votes.”
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...publicans-about-law-governing-electoral-count

 

He's right about the ECA, but he's wrong about his hypothesis about what VP Harris can do about it.... which is nothing...

But wait... there's more.... seems there might actually be a legislative purpose to the January 6th committee after all, dashing the hopes of all the closet simpering Constitutionalists on this forum (you know who you are)

SNIP
Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), vice chair of the Jan. 6 committee, told The New York Times Thursday that “the 1887 Electoral Count Act is directly at issue” and that the committee would be recommending changes to the law.
ENDSNIP

 

'Absolute Liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6

A former D.C. National Guard official is accusing two senior Army leaders of lying to Congress and participating in a secret attempt to rewrite the history of the military's response to the Capitol riot.

In a 36-page memo, Col. Earl Matthews, who held high-level National Security Council and Pentagon roles during the Trump administration, slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-riddled report that protects a top Army official who argued against sending the National Guard to the Capitol on Jan. 6, delaying the insurrection response for hours.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777

There's apparently no transcript or recording of the call. So it becomes a he said, he said conflict. Given that Michael Flynn's brother is one of the generals being accused of lying I'm inclined to believe Matthews but I suppose we'll never know.

 

(CNN)The House select committee investigating the January 6 riot has formally subpoenaed the phone records of more than 100 people, a substantial number that includes former Trump officials and associates of the ex-President such as his one-time chief of staff Mark Meadows, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

The committee has already begun receiving some data from phone providers, the sources said. The records do not include the content of the calls but rather details about who called or texted whom, when and for how long, giving them the ability to draw a web of communications before, during and after the January 6 attack on the US Capitol.
Congressional investigators also believe this data will help them piece together communications between those in former President Donald Trump's official orbit and the people who organized the rally that preceded the Capitol attack and rioters who participated in the violence.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/07/politics/january-6-committee-phone-records/index.html

They should leave no stone unturned.