Time for the U.S. to Colonize the Moon and Mars.

The moon is a vast wasteland. Mars is a vaster wasteland. Simply traveling to them is a waste of effort, nevermind colonizing them. We have plenty of unexplored regions on Earth to keep our scientific curiosity busy for thousands of years.

 

Desalination is more expensive than getting water out of wells or rivers and that technology will only be used once all other options are exhausted.

And, the water off the coasts where the water plants will run, that water is disgustingly overpolluted with all manner of chemical, biological, and nuclear waste.

This is where money comes into play and there are definitely going to be losers in this and a snowball effect on the economy, namely the cost of living increase.

 

It's not that massive. It's a few litters per tons of dirt. This is heavy industry. A human is probably going to sweet more out than they will get from mining out that underground water.

And, unless NASA is lying about his too, any water on the Moon and Mars that reaches the surface will be subject to evaporation into space. The water and oxygen produced by the underground stores WILL leak out of the space colony and will disappear because all that's required is a slow leak or an improper seal on the space habitats.

Water isn't a renewable resource under such conditions. It's only there until it's not. And then they will move on to the next water pocket until all the water is gone.

 

This is also BULLS#!%.

A desalination plant that is taking in water from a sea or ocean only needs to BOIL the sea water for a period of time that would kill any microbes and then any heavy metals or poisonous chemicals can be EASILY filtered out either though boiling or filtration and in return you get pure drinking water.

The thing is this process is so simple and so cheap that any corp building such a plant must justify making money by adding on all sorts of unneeded extras.

In Tropical Areas Rain Water Collection can also supply water and be boiled and have Chlorine added to make it safe and this is cheaper than using salt water.

I am an EXPERT in Jungle, Desert, Arctic and Ocean Survival and all I need is a few Water Sanitation Tablets and perhaps a filter I would make out of my cloths and I can get clear drinkable water.

We will....NEVER have a water shortage.

AboveAlpha

 

LINK....http://www.space.com/12542-mars-water-photos-red-planet-images.html

AboveAlpha

 

Okay, so how does it taste?

I have seen this map before, but I'm disappointed by the overly amplified use of passive wording: maybe, potential, ect.... It would have more affect on me if Mars hadn't already been sold as primarily Carbon Dioxide for decades -- the thing is that Mars' surface temperatures are just perfect to get liquid Carbon Dioxide. So, instead I think they found a little water and got their hopes up.

The difference between Water (H[SUB]2[/SUB]O) and Carbon Dioxide (CO[SUB]2[/SUB]) is Hydrogen. There is of course a way to test for this. Show me a hydrogen map of the real Mars, made after this discovery because obviously the previous version was in error, and we can find out how feasible it is for the water supply on Mars, really. All it takes is to mount a radio telescope on a probe.

 

There is already a private project to permanently colonize Mars by 2023: http://www.mars-one.com/en/

 

Sometimes it tastes a bit salty sometimes a bit tangy but in need it tasted great.

AboveAlpha

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There are several private companies attempting to do this but only NASA and JPL in Pasadena have the ability to properly calculate orbital breaking.

AboveAlpha

 

How come?

 

Mar's is considered a High Risk Planet for probes as if you check into it many countries including the U.S. have lost multi-billion dollar probes.

It takes a few networked suercomputers and a few very high IQ people to do such a thing right.

AboveAlpha

 

No where NASA suspects water - and I am behind on my reading here - is the heavily crated polar region. Theory goes the water got there through cometary impacts and froze in situ

 

Basically all water on both Earth and Mars came from millions of cometary impacts but Mars a Billion Years ago had vast oceans and a great amount of this water still exists underground and at the poles.

AboveAlpha

 

The proof of concept begins in 2016 so I guess we'll see what happens. I'm very optimistic about the future of private space exploration.

 

Unlikely. Mars lost its water and atmosphere where the magnetic field generated by the liquid core shut down

 

Fantastic. And where praytell will you get the money?

Private enterprises or China are likely to get there before the US government.

 

Ironic that Obama's biggest success as President has been to encourage privatization in space flight and exploration. It's been a smashing success. Too bad he hasn't learned anything from it.

 

So am I.

AboveAlpha

 

That is the generally accepted theory as without a protective Magnetic Field as the Martian liquid metallic inner and outer cores cooled down and thus stopped spinning.

Without a spinning inner and outer core Mars could not protect itself from Cosmic and Solar Radiation which when encountering liquid water causes a chemical reaction separating water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.

But just like Earth large underground aquifers and water in the martian soil still exists.

AboveAlpha

 

Not really, there just wasn't the geological processes available

 

I disagree....and so does NASA.

Sure...I might be wrong but even if I am there is more than enough water on Mars to Terra Form it to an extent as when the NASA rovers dug up martian soil only a few inches deep 2% of the soil weight was WATER.

AboveAlpha

 

Van Allen radiation belts.

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Your idea belongs to the B.C. era, (Before Castro era).

It sounds like the fantasies created by lunatic Einstein thinking that space traveling is similar to riding in a train from Washington DC to New York.

At this very moment, the big nightmare for NASA and for any other similar agency in the world, is the ZERO gravity issue.

Until this issue is not solved, we still lack of the needed technology to travel and live in the Moon and less in Mars.

Astronauts can stay in space by periods of 6 months and must return back to earth right after, because the almost zero gravity causes them an accelerated osteoporosis, distorted bodies, poor production of red cells, disorientation problems, etc. etc. When these astronauts come back to earth, they must stay in recovery up to two years*.

(*it should be good if astronauts visiting schools tell about this situation, so children will be aware of it and think better if someday they want to become astronauts. To keep silence about this crude reality of the effects of zero gravity in humans is practically lying to the children... and the public in general)

A spaceship having the capability to simulate our current gravity has not been built yet to be tested, so, those "permanent colonies" in other planets mentioned by you still no more than opium dreams.

Lets start anew with this, your message better focus in a "hope" to reach the necessary technology to travel to other planets without the need of drugs, genetic manipulation and/or similar, in humans in order to handle the years of traveling in outer space.

But, if by any means, you insist that we already enjoy such technology, then you will be second after Obama making wrong statements, false promises... just running the mouth..

 

Nothing that a well shielded space craft can't handle.

AboveAlpha

 

You do realize that Gravity does exist on the Moon and Mars right?

Any lower gravity environment can be compensated for by specific type of tension based work outs.

AboveAlpha

 

With all the extra money we are all getting from our better deal healthcare Obama plans of course.