Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Monash

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    Only if anyone is foolish enough to use your definition of the word 'democracy'. After all you were the one who claimed Nkumah & Gbagbo were sterling examples of democracy in action! Tell you what, how about you publish a dictionary? You could call it "Esau's dictionary: Words mean what I say they do".

    That way the rest of the English speaking world will know just how wrong they are (about everything apparently) :rolleyes: !
     
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    That seems hard to believe. You posted at midnight Pacific Stand Time so 12 hours off would be Samoa Standard time. Are you now changing your claim to living in the south Pacific?
     
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  3. Esau

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    there are possibly only 2 democratic nations in the world. You are right monsash! Those two nations have never warred.
     
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    Can't even/ever admit how horribly wrong you were, can you.
     
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    You Can't even/ever admit how horribly wrong you were, can you?
     
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    Ukraine is a win/win! the Malthusians kill 100s of thousands and they get filthy rich selling arms and collecting grift.
     
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    The collapse of Russian influence is widening
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    The Hill
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    May 18, 2023 — As Russian President Vladimir Putin's “special military operation” continues its downward spiral in Ukraine, the future of Russian-occupied ...
     
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    You should read some of the articles you post mate -- this one is on a pinnacle of dumb and dumber .. Talks about Russia losing influence with Poland ?? Poland Hates Russia .. there is no influence to lose ..

    "TheHill" gets the medal for the most stupid propaganda piece of the week :)
     
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    ". . . . Poland, via the Polish Commission on the Standardization of Geographical Names, announced on May 10 that it would no longer refer to Kaliningrad by its Russian name, opting instead to use Królewiec, the Polish translation for Königsberg, which the former East Prussia region was called prior to the end of World War II. . . . ."
     
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    Why on Earth would you listen to what Pentagon Pundit has to say about the Russian Army ? and especially given this one's horrible track record.

    Got to find better sources mate ... no wonder your perspective is so off most of the time .. parroting these propaganda pundits.
     
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    Why would I care Jack .. did you think anyone in Washington Cares if Cuba decides to call Florida ... Floridah ? Or did you just want to point out how dumb and dumber the Polish Commission is ? .. and what does this have to do with anything under previous discussion ?
     
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    You don't even read your sources properly, so no lectures from you.
     
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    Everyone wants to wash their hands of all things Russian.
     
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    Ukrainians are advancing. Russians are retreating.
     
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    What source was that BF ? .. and what was not read proper ? and why do you hide behind this meaningless generalized backwards false accusation - as if it was your station to critique one so high above .. the fallacy you seem to love :) Har Har Har.

    Sup BF ! who da one not proper read - the one who don't know what argument is said .. so many it seems of these in the echo chamber - thinking the backslap is a sign -- but turns out to be a big whine.
     
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    Another spectactular falsehood Jack .. and ridiculously fallacious generalization fallacy ...

    Russia's influence is greater than ever ... the Sanctions a major Fail ... Half the world now joining together with Russia wash their hands of US Hegemony --

    You must have missed the memo Jack .. even the western propaganda media admits this is a problem -- so how could you be getting this so wrong and backwards.

    You can't lose influence you never had Jack ... Keep that in mind for future prognostication.
     
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    Will Russia's global influence continue to decline?
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    King's College London
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    Ties have been severed and the country has become increasingly isolated within the international arena, undermining its economic development as access to key ...

    Russian influence declining among neighbors in 3 charts
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    May 24, 2023 — Russia's image has deteriorated globally since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine including in former Soviet Union states, new Gallup data shows ...

    Russia's Strategic Failure and Ukraine's Secure Future
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    Jun 2, 2023 — ... against Ukraine has been a strategic failure, greatly diminishing Russia's power, its interests, and its influence for years to come.

    Moscow's Influence In Central Asia Continues To Decline
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    Oil Price
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    Apr 13, 2023 — While Russian influence in the post-Soviet Central Asian states continues to decline overall as a consequence of its misadventures in Ukraine, ...

    Impact of sanctions on the Russian economy - Consilium
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    May 4, 2023 — Russia's economy may continue to shrink in 2023. Its GDP is forecast to decline by 2.5% in the worst-case scenario (OECD) or by 0.2% ...
     
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    Influence Jack ... that is the question being addressed-- you having no idea how to address this question in general. A small short term drop in GDP has very little to do with overall Influence of Russia .. whether it is increasing .. or decreasing .. and you have not managed to quantify even that .. or any other part of the question.

    Did we not understand the law of logic and mathematics .. Headlines = Comments "Headlines = Meaningless" did you not manage to pass the high school test given you previously Jack ? If A=B and A=C then ??

    Good we came back to spend time on this since I don't recall you having answered the first time ... We will get you up to speed in a jiffy Jack .. no worries :)
     
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    Squirm all you like. Russian influence is waning fast. Putin was even scolded in Moscow by the President of South Africa today. Meanwhile:
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    Russian forces face shortage of tanks as counteroffensive creeps forward
    "Russia’s forces are suffering a shortage of tanks, the country’s defence minister has admitted, as Ukraine’s offensive in the south and east continued to push back the frontline with the help of western hardware. . . . "
     
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    China is now offering security guarantees to some CSTO members and helping to settle their dispuutes, while others are looking ot Europe for support. If Russia is losing influence in its poverty tier version of NATO then it is on the road to being a colder version of Pakistan.
     
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    It appears there are indeed pockets of anti-Putin resistance within Russia and Ukrainian victories have encouraged them to act. While everyone would like to see Putin toppled, I feel like the safest bet for a future is to create the conditions where even the upper brass sees that it's suicidal for the Russians to continue, thus removing the political leverage Putin feels he needs to remain in office.
     
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    Putin's strategy in Ukraine switched months ago from trying to achieve a 'victory' there based on his initial objectives (i.e. returning Ukraine to Russia control, removing it's democratically elected government, preventing Ukraine's tie up with NATO and the EU etc) to just surviving until the west 'loses interest' (code for Donald Trump gets elected in 2024.) Assuming that doesn't happen he has zero medium to long term options left. His army isn't in a fit state to launch any large scale offensives, there's strong domestic opposition to further mass conscription and the economy is slowly but steadily contracting. He's screwed and he' knows it. Trump is about the only card he has left. And that's a concern.
     
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    I think it's not a matter of 'losing interest' for me, but in maintaining a long-term European Border. We've dealt with what we can call the 'European Situation' in 1915, in 1942 and in the present. If not for European Politics, American independence which was the greatest and most important undertaking of the framers would have succeeded.

    Much like how we want to escape the Middle Eastern theater, we want to escape this one. And I feel like NATO has proven to be a bandaid over this crucial issue to American security. No matter how badly we beat the Russians, the Russians have long felt insecure. This isn't going to end, even with a liberal Russian administration. Finland bordering on St..Petersburg will be seen as a thorn in their eyes.




    And the not-so-talked about issue is if we ourselves wane in our geopolitical capacity. Should this ever be the case, NATO itself will be challenged without its strongest arm(the US.).

    That's why I call/wish for a new Congress of Vienna. It's going to take that level of high stakes diplomacy to bring about a resolution not only to the Russian-Ukraine conflict, but the larger European border issues over the past century.
     
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