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Time to Get Real About Ukraine

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Destroyer of illusions, Feb 19, 2023.

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm a war vet myself. What I see in that photo is a bunch of frightened men perched precariously onto and crammed tightly into an APC. If that photo is meant to portray something heroic or determined ..... you've failed.
     
    Thingamabob, Feb 21, 2023
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    And I provided video proof that contradicts your propaganda
     
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    Your videos are fake.
     
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    "Whispers" - got to listen in the right places .. Listened to some elected political official in Germany lamenting loss of cheap russian gas .. in another place that factories are having to consider relocating to China .. can you imagine what a disaster if BASF has to move operations to China to remain competitive ?? ... The Germans think so too :)

    "Liberty or Death" These couch dewellers drunk on necessary Illusion have never felt the cost of war up close .. In North America we been molly coddled way too long .. have lost the ability to think straight .. on issues that one day on the front line would fix.

    Nothing more irritating than when I hear the "Thanks for your service" on a game show soon as military experience of any kind revealed .. some kind of conditioned glorification of war. Tell you one group of individuals the Soldier boys are not serving the interests of ... the US citizens .. and the nation as a whole .. the ruin of this nation .. and near all other world economic empires if History reviewed.
     
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    Please don't insult our intelligence by saying "this nation" as if we're all from the same country.
     
    Jack Hays, Feb 21, 2023
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    Time Is on Ukraine's Side, Not Russia's - The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com › ideas › archive › 2023/01

    Jan 14, 2023 — Still, Ukraine has most of the advantages that typically decide a war. Its forces will be better trained, better led, and, with the West's help, ...

    Defend. Resist. Repeat: Ukraine's lessons for European defence
    https://ecfr.eu › publication › defend-resist-repeat-ukrai...

    Nov 9, 2022 — Since 2014, the country has transformed its armed forces, upgrading logistics and communications and empowering mid-level officers; put in place ...
     
    Jack Hays, Feb 21, 2023
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    Anyone with common sense would come to the same conclusion.
     
    Thingamabob, Feb 21, 2023
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    Time to Get Real About Ukraine

    I agree. The current course is unworkable. Either the U.S. needs to abandon the proxy war or provide enough materiel to defeat Russia quickly. Letting it drag on is the worst possible choice. Too many people are dying for no reason.
     
    fmw, Feb 21, 2023
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    When you admit that you misrepresented the scale of Europe's imports from Russia and admit that you deliberately misrepresented my post I'll answer your question. Until you are honest you don't deserve an answer.
     
    bigfella, Feb 21, 2023
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    Don't worry.
    ... and probably never received compulsory military training so your chances of getting in are pretty good. We'll be here to cheer your homecoming. :floating:
     
    Thingamabob, Feb 21, 2023
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    The media, which once claimed to be unbiased, ought to be broadcasting such reports on a daily basis.
    Don't get me started.
    As a war vet myself, I have to bite my tongue, smile, and thank them in return.
     
    Thingamabob, Feb 21, 2023
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    You wish capt'n jack. I especially liked that staged "glory to nazis" video clip....must be hard rounding up 20 some odd ukies to sit on an armored personnel carrier and give the sieg heil salute.....but then again, probably not

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0GkYFmWSjRI
     
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    Time to Get Real About Ukraine
    The American Military-Industrial Complex disagrees with you.
    The American Military-Industrial Complex disagrees with you.
    The American Military-Industrial Complex disagrees with you.
    The American Military-Industrial Complex disagrees with you.
     
    Thingamabob, Feb 21, 2023
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    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care
     
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    The American Military-Industrial Complex doesn't care if you do or not just as long as you keep paying your taxes.
     
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    Not hard to order 20 Russians to play the parts.
     
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    Russia’s military brass accused of ‘treason’ by Wagner chief

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    Ukraine live updates: Rift between Russia's military widens
     
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    The guy who leading the group also gave it away when he couldn't help but laugh about it. Not a good actor, but good enough to fool Bill, apparently.
     
    Durandal, Feb 21, 2023
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    Gee golly willy winkers…I doubt you have an answer that would make sense considering you said uranium is every where which means we should be buying it from anyone but Russia.
     
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    YOu don't care that US foreign policy has been usurped by Goblins ... that the Soldier you been bending down for crying out "Thank you for your service" "Thank you for saving me" .. has not been a faithfull Biatch .. been servicing someone else .. not the US public ..

    Not had that Necessary Illusion bubble popped yet mate .. Bwaaaaa bwwaaaa "I Don't Care" ..

     
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    “The secret of happiness is liberty,” Thucydides has Pericles say in a funeral oration in ancient Athens, the birthplace of democracy, “and the secret of liberty is courage.” The courage to live and die for freedom is most obviously apparent in the men and women of the Ukrainian armed forces. . . .
    Everyone seems to be doing something: sending food, clothes, or equipment, helping internally displaced people, or—like Max, a young volunteer I met—traveling repeatedly to the east to bring back the old and sick from villages in the line of fire. In a July 2022 survey, 61 percent of Ukrainians said they had participated in the resistance by donating funds, 37 percent by volunteering in the community, and 7 percent by volunteering in the Territorial Defense Force units established to complement the regular armed forces. “The Ukrainian army is 42 million people,” Andriy Sadovy, the mayor of Lviv, told me—the entire country. If ever there was a people’s war, this is it. . . .
    According to KIIS, in May 2013 some 80 percent of Ukrainians still had a positive attitude toward Russia; by May 2022 that figure was down to 2 percent. Hail to Putin, destroyer of the Russian world. . . .

    Ukraine in Our Future | Timothy Garton Ash
    https://www.nybooks.com › Articles

    in 1 day — People often ask for tattoos of the Ukrainian flag or the country's. ... Best of The New York Review, plus books, events, and other items of ...
     
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    Interesting you quoting thoughts about “liberty” as though you hold it as a goal in high regard - yet you advocate its prohibition instead.


    Here is a much more appropriately revealing quote:

    When Victoria Nuland presented the American plan for a coup, the American ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, told her that Europe would not accept a coup in their midst to which she replied, ”f*u*c*k Europe!”
     
    Thingamabob, Feb 21, 2023
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    There was no coup, and your characterization of Nuland's remarks is inaccurate.

    Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call - BBC
    https://www.bbc.com › news › world-europe-26079957

    Feb 7, 2014 — An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online.
     
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