TN: Tyre Nichols was 'defenseless' during his 'savage' beating by police, attorneys say

Only until it came out that then Senate candidate John Fetterman, back when he'd been a mayor-- thinking that he had heard gunfire (which turned out being firecrackers), outside his downtown office-- had chased down a running black man, and briefly held him at gunpoint; you can hardly imagine how concerned for that black man's safety, and outraged over the distress this must have caused the innocent man (who seemed to just blow it off, in the interview that I saw), some of the same people who, one would strongly suspect, had been defending Arbury's assailants, suddenly became.

 

99% certain my position on both ways completely consistent. Prove me wrong.

 

I think I remember that one-- it was in an apartment hallway, right? And the cop had him kneel down, right beside where he'd had the man drop his weapon (without moving the weapon out of his reach, as by kicking it clear, for example). Then the other cop, who'd been hidden from view, shot the guy in the back of his head, because his hand was close to the gun.

It's like being your own health advocate, in a doctor's visit: you can't trust the police to get it right-- you have to be the cool-headed one, thinking ahead. When they tell you to drop your gun at your side, you have to place it down, with the barrel facing yourself, and tell them you are going to slide the gun away (or, just don't open the door, holding a gun, unless you're sure it isn't the police).

 

That wasn't my point: the two situations weren't completely analogous. But if you want to dig up your two posts, from your "content," I now would be interested in seeing what you mean, by "consistent."

 

You can either argue they are analogous and they should be brought up or you can argue they aren't completely analogous, and thus they shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath. You can't have it both ways. I'm not sure why you would bring it up in one breath and then say it isn't comparable in the next. Why make the comparison if you are going to argue they aren't analogous?

 

The officer had no way of knowing what he could not know, which is weather or not that guy was armed.

that task force spends their time in high crime areas, they try and respond to in-progress calls faster. What they did was wrong and they deserve jail.

 

First off, there are a couple of different aspects, to these situations: to start off with, there is the motivation. For Arbery's murderers, it is merely seeing a person running, on their road. In Fetterman's case, it is seeing someone running (not out on a country road, but downtown) away from where he had just heard, what he had believed to be gunfire. You consider these two situations 100% equal?

Then comes the mode of pursuit-- in a truck, with someone standing in the bed, IIRC, simultaneously aiming a rifle at you; versus running after someone (so not credibly pointing the weapon at them, yet), and calling to them to stop.

Next difference, is between an ad hoc civilian possee chasing you-- again, out in the middle of nowhere-- versus someone who probably identified himself as the mayor, or law enforcement, and in a downtown area where there were presumably some witnesses, about. Even had Fetterman failed to ID himself, he is not what you would call nondescript. Anyone who had ever seen a picture of their mayor, it has to be believed, would recognize him.

Lastly, unlike the botched, Arbery citizens' arrest, the gunman didn't practically jump on top of him. Fetterman did not try, or seem to intend, to physically apprehend him. I am at a disadvantage, because neither those posters, nor the articles they linked to the Fetterman case, went into all the details. Therefore I am forced to speculate, about the specifics. So I would guess, when the suspected gunman heard Fetterman, and turned to see him carrying a gun, there was still some space between them; the man would have then stopped, which would have led Fetterman to slow his approach, and aim his weapon. This is less consistent with a vigilante lynching, than what was presented to Arbery. What I do know (from that interview with the man) is that a bunch of cop cars surrounded him, almost immediately. Therefore, it is very possible that this man, even if he did not recognize his very distinctive looking mayor, and even if Fetterman did not indicate as to who he was, or why he was stopping the man, at least heard Fetterman calling the cops. Again, more consistent with a case of mistaken identity, than with a KKK lynching.


Did you read my post? I had only meant to focus on one facet of the two cases: poster disposition, towards how frightful it is, to have a gun pointed at yourself. For Arbery, they blamed him for being alarmed, and for not just being compliant, towards the self-styled lawmen. Quite the opposite, how they felt about the terrible ordeal that the Democratic candidate had put his "kidnapped" hostage through (for less than a minute). I do not discount the fear, in the Fetterman case, but can understand, after his mis-correlating the sound with gunfire-- which he had done from up in his office, so divorced from any image of who might be doing the shooting-- and then emerging from his office to see one individual running, it seems: 1) an understandable mistake; 2) a reasonable course of action, in that he expected that the suspect might have just been involved in, not a burglary, but in a shooting, making him a potential threat to others; 3) within the scope of his office since, as mayor in that town, he was also considered the top law enforcement official; and 4) not racist, as he had (mis)identified the threat, without any reference to the culprit-- compare the Arbery case: would they have chased a white jogger?


The Fetterman case was unfortunate. I suppose one who never makes mistakes, can hold Fetterman's mis-identification of the sound of firecrakers, against him. But there was much less of a predicate for suspicion, or for the mens' personal involvement, when it comes to Arbery's pursuers. Finally, as they had no reason to expect that Arbery was carrying a gun, and because they had him outnumbered, the extremely threatening way in which they'd handled their pursuit of Arbery, seems uncalled for, as well as was the reason for its tragic ending. And it is this vast difference in the results of the two instances, which is the greatest difference, of all. Why did they need to be pointing a gun at Arbery, when they drove up beside him? Couldn't they have just asked him to stop?

 

LOL that was my point!

 

Look at all the video available. The only video that I'm aware of that hasn't been released in the initial contact between the cops and Nichols. I wonder if there's some compromising of undercover methods to prevent the initial confrontation from being shown?

 

There are several links to that video in this thread.

 

truth and justice posted

"Anyone else find it a bit odd that on the first encounter one of the officers went straight to the driver's door and opened it and then immediately leaned inside? What happened to normal procedure of shouting out something like "show me your hands"? It seems like that officer already knew that Tyer won't be carrying a gun or represent a threat.

It was said today that the 2 cops that approached Tyre in his car did not ask for his license and registration. ,insurance.
The rumor has legs.

'Tyre Nichols' Connection to Cop's Ex-Wife Under Investigation'
Tyre Nichols' Connection to Cop's Ex-Wife Under Investigation


The Memphis Police Department is currently investigating rumors regarding a possible connection between Tyre Nichols and the ex-wife or ex-girlfriend of one of the Memphis cops arrested and charged in Nichols' death.

On Wednesday morning, Newsweek asked the Shelby County district attorney's office if it is investigating possible rumors connecting Nichols to the ex-girlfriend or ex-wife of former Memphis cop Demetrius Haley. Additionally, Newsweek asked about rumors that Haley sent photos of Nichols to his ex-wife following the violent arrest of the 29-year-old Black man.

"All of this is still under investigation. Those are the things, along with the participation of others, that [are] now the subject of our investigation," a spokesperson for the Shelby County district attorney told Newsweek in response."

cont:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/tyre-nichols-connection-to-cop-s-ex-wife-under-investigation/ar-AA16ZY7r

 

The 2 cops pulling Tyre over, approached the car with guns drawn, pulled him out and started beating him,


That said:

IF he was seeing Haley's ex then could Haley's brutal beating be premeditated with Nichol's death resulting from it and his charge upped from 2nd degree murder to 1st degree premeditated murder?

Also the other cop with him when he was pulled over?
Anyone know who the other cop is?

iirc: It was SteveN who focused on Nichols being a someone's target.

The ex does make a lot of sense yet it doesn't explain all the other cops beating Nichols or the failure of the medics FD Lieutenant.

 

Is 'driving while black' the only reason'

 

Today, while speaking at Tyre Nichol's funeral, Al Sharpton spit,

"If Tyre Nichols had been white, you wouldn't have beaten him like that, that night."

Never give someone who makes their living race hustling a mic.

 

That's a very telling quote you had the need to post out of the magnificent eulogy that Al Sharpton gave to honor the life of Tyre Nichols who was brutally murdered.

 

There is nothing magnificent about race hustlers. Al Sharpton has spent his life race hustling.

"a race hustler is aggressively selling racism. They claim to be free of racism and that that others must be racist, yet here is the catch: what they are selling is really racism."

Race Hustlers - Somebody Aggressively Promoting Racism By Smearing Someone Else - PATTBERG.ORG

 

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You actually believe that If Tyre was white these 2 black cops would have pulled him over, approached his car, with guns drawn, never ask for his license, reg and insurance and just drag him out and begin the brutal beating that led to his death?

Then when the other black thugs arrived they join in and throw in the medics and FD Lt..

 

You may want to reread the post you’re quoting, Trixare was quoting Al Sharpton, to mock the “good reverend”, not to agree.

 

If the links of this thread don't include all the video links of the Nichols incident, I suggest you use Google to find those links.

 

Nothing in that article says he was standing when paramedics arrived. It says he was handcuffed and leaning against the car. Leaning could be standing or sitting. The rest of the article strongly suggests he was sitting, not standing when they arrived.

 

I'll do your work for you.

Link.

 

I got that.
That's why I reversed it, and made Tyre a white man that the 2 cops pulled over.

Waiting on Trix to agree that the 2 cops and 3 follow-up cops, medics and the FD Lt would have done the same to a white guy they pulled over as they did to Nichols that caused his death.

Sharpton was right, they never would have.

Nichol's neighborhood isn't noted as a crime area, no less a high crime area and neighbors of Nichols wanted to know why the "Scorpion Unit" was even patrolling it.

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"Leaning against a police car" means he was standing.

 

All the videos show he was on the floor and the Gina Sweat's statement says he was on the ground which means he was not standing