Trump Administration Sues California Over Immigration Laws

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    BOOM!

    Right back at you lefties.

    Using their favorite weapon (lawsuits) against them.

    LMFAO!

    And the NYT's article title is a fricking lie.

    It's not immigration laws that California is being sued for.

    They are being sued because they are harboring illegal criminal aliens and obstructing justice.
     
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    As always republicans are for states rights until they aren’t
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Gay marriage isn't a right.

    States can't ignore Federal law.

    Please know what the frick you are talking about.
     
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    For state rights except where the constitution specifically grants it as a federal power to make laws. Like on immigration.
     
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    Where does the Constitution mention immigration?
     
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    As Justice Kennedy wrote in the 2012 decision in Arizona v. United States:

    "The Government of the United States has broad, undoubted power over the subject of immigration and the status of aliens. … This authority rests, in part, on the National Government’s constitutional power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” U. S. Const., Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and its inherent power as sovereign to control and conduct relations with foreign nations…."
     
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    They are free to do that but instead they’re asking states to do it for them.
     
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    They’re not ignoring it, they’re refusing to do the Feds job for them
     
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    Making it illegal for citizens to work with the federal government and notifying them of raids is obstruction of justice.

    So you are right. They are not ignoring it but instead blatantly breaking and defying it.
     
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    The laws of all the states must be constitutional. That is going to be what's at issue.
     
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    Not really.

    Abuse your state rights...you lose your state rights.

    That's how it works.

    In California Black Panthers abused the Second Amendment and all law abiding citizens in the Golden State lost their rights to open carry.

    A decade or so later black thugs (Crips & Bloods) abused their second Amendment rights and liberals in California started outlawing black scary looking guns.

    Back in 1860 one political party refused to except the outcome of a Presidential election. In 1865 after 620,000 Americans lost their lives on the battlefield, states lost many of their state rights.

    Under radical leftist political rule in California, (one party rule) California has become a totalitarian state, a rouge state, a "hermit kingdom" run by liberal loons and reconquista socialist who have no deep roots in America. They used legislation taking away Californians individual freedoms and rights under "Natural Law," aka "Laws of Nature."

    Now California leftist are abusing what state rights they have by claiming they are above the rule of law, above the U.S. Constitution, that non citizens are a PC protected group who have more rights, protections than U.S. citizens

    The sad part is, that it just wont be California who loses more state rights because they abused their state rights but all fifty states will lose more states rights just because one state went rebel just like what happened the last time one political party was butt hurt because they lost an election.
     
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    immigration a states rights issue? goodness gracious... do you want another war between the states? because that's how you get another war between the states.

    Immigration cannot be a states rights issue because immigrants, and their baggage, cannot be contained to the immigrant friendly state(s).
     
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    Actually it is. Freedom of Association: learn it, live it, love it.
     
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    Before 1875 it was the individual sovereign states who regulated immigration.

    But because one political party was butt hurt because they lost an election in 1860, all states lost that state right.

    https://fairus.org/legislation/reports-and-analysis/history-of-us-immigration-laws

    Two excerpts:
    Source is likely bias.

     
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    This. Except I might amend it to say:
    Immigration cannot be a states rights issue because illegal immigrants, and their baggage, cannot be contained to the illegal immigrant friendly state(s).
     
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    Marriage 'recognition and benefits' 'from the government' is not a right. It would be unconstitutional to ban marriage contracts made 'between couples' as it is your right to enter into such contracts.

    A contract with the state for marriage benefits is not a right. It is a benefit and such benefits should be abolished completely in any case for everyone.
     
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    Isn't it interesting that when Arizona sought ways to deal with illegal aliens, California's legislature passed resolutions baring state officials from doing business in Arizona. Their reason included the argument that Arizona was attempting to write it's own immigration policy.

    Now we have California writing it's own immigration policy, and these scumbags in my state are whining about the Federal Government applying the same approach California politicians had cheered before.

    Par for the course for extreme liberal/socialist progressives.
     
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    No, that's not accurate. They are impeding the Feds who are trying to do the job. Recently as an example a Mayor gave a Warning that ICE was going to conduct a raid the next day. That's impeding the Feds.

    Pretending that they're just not doing the Feds job for them is utter nonsense. They are not only ignoring it, they're working against the Feds on it.
     
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    True, and the law says they can do that.

    However, when they start thwarting Federal Law by offering safe harbor, or in the case of the Mayor of Oakland, actually aiding and abetting, they are crossing a line.

    I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the courts. My likely unrealistic hope is these politicians are jailed, and the fines and legal costs ruin them personally.
     
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    Supremacy clause
     
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    They're asking local mayors to tell illegals that ICE is coming.
     
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    No, marriage is not a right. It's a privilege.
     
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    So your saying you don't support states rights ;)
     
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    I want to see officials in california arrested starting with the mayor of oakland
     
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    What state rights? The only people getting away with their own laws in their state is CA. So you're for states rights?
     
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