Trump pardons bank robber Jon Poder before his RNC 2020 speach

Didn't Obama pardon a domestic terrorist? Twice?

 

God help the Clintons..... However can they ever support a clinton again???

 

You mean Bill? Sure. He spoke, did you miss it?

 

I love how unhinged you guys get when Trump does something nice for a Black person. Between this and the Herschel Walker speech you must be going bananas right now! You know if he was white you'd be making a thread that Trump doesn't pardon enough black people. I love it! Keep these threads coming, PLEASE! I beg thee

 

Sure but just because they can does mean they should. Whichever side does it is wrong.

 

You got it wrong but your wrong is not a mistake I believe hat you ,ran to falsely accuse those who you do not agree with. Trump did not do something nice for anyone much less a Black person. Trump committed the act of pardoning as something nice for Trump. The pardoning is nothing but a political ploy perpetrated by Trump as a show for his convention.

Doing something "nice" for anyone but himself or close family is not in Trump 's playbook.

PS You seem to have all sorts of fantasies about what others would do. Why don't you worry about what you do or don't do instead of have fantasies about what you think or hope others will do?

 

Its very funny that you just did the very SAME thing you accused me of doing. You assume Trump did this for himself (and that is possible), but there is NO way to prove that. You are fantasizing and jumping to conclusions. Also, why would you be so angry that this man caught a break? He seems really nice and the prison system is supposed to be about REFORM.

 

I am not angry that the guy got a break at all. I am disgusted though not surprised that Trump did as he allways does anything and it is only for himself or very close family and even family only for those who praise him. That is the history of Trump.

 

Do you honestly think the world is laughing at Trump and his hard line trade stances more than when we bowed to our enemies, apologized for our past and funded terrorism? What they are laughing at is our divisiveness and the fact that the left leaning institutions are so violently against him.

 

Both the pardoning and the trotting out of a multi ethnic group of wanna be citizens to take their oath was a total election advert to try to attract racial and ethnic groups to vote for Dirty Donald. A complete abuse of office.

 

No. The World is laughing at the fact that our POTUS can't lead us through an open mine field with dead mines let alone a global pandemic.

 

Former crimes. Clinton spoke. He was a criminal.

 

When was she arrested tried convicted and sentenced and how long did she serve in prison.

Oh you admitt that she never did any of those things. Good now gomand study the definition of "criminal" and come back when you educate yourself.

 

And yet a quick lookup puts us at the 206th spot of 215 listed for deaths per million population.

 

Well, great, so he's got a very uplifting life story and deserves praise. But why exactly does he deserve a pardon? He served his time already, so he paid his debt to society, but the debt he paid was well deserved since he did commit the felony. Usually you pardon people who are wrongly convicted, some injustice was committed against them, or they had committed crimes under some sort of duress, in somewhat understandable circumstances, etc. What is understandable about robbing a bank? It's not like pardoning him makes him free; he is already free for having served the time. So this pardon was entirely unnecessary. Pardoning him is a way to say he didn't really deserve the conviction and the punishment and no, it's not true, he fully deserved it. Without going as far as pardoning him, Trump could have praised the fact that he paid his debt to society and turned his life around and now has been helping others, no pardon necessary. Besides, it doesn't even highlight the turnaround. If what he initially did is not worthy of blame, then he didn't really turn his life around, did he? I mean, symbolically speaking? Me, I think it is *more* compelling to say, he erred, deserved punishment, paid his debt, and turned his life around. Not, symbolically cancelling his error.

 

You idea of pardon is not in line with the historic and intended use of Governmental pardons. They were not wholly intended to defend someone wrongfully accused. That is what the appeal process and courts are for. It a perfect world, an innocent person would eventually be determined to be innocent by the courts. Since this is not a perfect world, pardons are sometimes used to help those wrongfully convicted, but the original concept of pardons was to remove the stigma of conviction from those that have gone above and beyond to repay society for their crimes.

Article 2 of the US Constitution reads: The President ........ shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. It does not say for people unjustly charged with offenses against the US. It says for Offenses against the US. In other words.....for the exact reason this pardon was granted.

President Obama issued pardons to 1,927 people. Many, if not most of them, plead guilty to their crimes. Though I will say that most of them were for drug charges where sentencing was too excessive by today's standards and many were a commutation and not a vacation of their conviction.. However, most of them had already served their sentence, so it was not like he was getting them out of jail.

President Trump has issued only 38 pardons, 10 being commutations (including Roger Stone).

 

I hope I'm remembering the right presentation... So, Trump pardoned the black man criminal because he found Jesus. But there's something missing that most people don't understand. The black man found humility and an adjustment to his demeanor. That's the reason that the judge went easy on him in sentencing as well the President found someone he could respect. Finding Jesus was how he did it, but that's not the only way to do it. It just depends that you have a crutch to carry you through. If you need a crutch, but some people are just naturally modest and don't need another crutch.

 

OK, I hear you. You make good points. I guess my notions on this were incorrect, therefore I stand corrected. Thanks.

 

You don't think Ponder deserved the pardon for his past crime, that he has earned it? You don't think someone who commits a crime and does their time and comes out rehabilitated and makes a wonderful thing of his life helping others should be recognized for that and rewarded for it? I thought it a powerful moment, what we WANT to happen in our prison system and society.

 

Ahhh I think it was a little more than that

"
Jon Ponder is an American thrice-convicted bank-robber who after his release in 2009 has founded the Hope for Prisoners program in Nevada which helps former prisoners to reintegrate into society.[1]

Ponder's work was put into the national spotlight when President Donald Trump granted him a pardon during the 2020 Republican National Convention.[2] The pardon was publicized shortly before Ponder was scheduled to appear as a speaker at the event.[3]

Ponder grew up in New York City where he got involved with gangs as a teenager. He was first arrested for armed robbery at the age of 16.[4] In 2004, he was arrested for bank robbery in Las Vegas and sent to federal prison in Pennsylvania.[4][5]

In 2009 [after release from prison], he founded Hope for Prisoners to enable former convicts to reintegrate into society, working with law enforcement (including the FBI agent who arrested Ponder) and local businesses.[3][4][5] According to researchers at University of Nevada, Las Vegas, between January and June 2015, 64% of participants of the program found stable employment while 6% of participants were arrested again.[4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Ponder

About ten years in prison out in five with good behavior ain't such a light sentence. But some here would choose to use him to attack Trump.

 

Yeah given that Ivanka, Eric ,Don jnr and Jared are speaking you are very right

 

I swear that I answered this already. I see this as POTUS T using his pardon power not for good but to make a propaganda show for re-election. DJT has never shown that he gave two craps forvanyonevexcept himself and close family and only close family if they do not write books about him.

I am not a big believer of redemption. For crimes such as murder child molestation and hurting a child I believe that there is absolutely no redemption. Execution is the only justice murderers and child molesters deserve.

 

Guess you haven't heard of the First Step Act then!

 

Okay, so then you think that all of Obama's pardons are wrong too. Got it!

 

That was under Bush. How is that relevant now?