Trump to end Obamacare subsidies that help low-income Americans

Wait, when did the Supreme Court reverse their Ruling? They ruled it IS constitutional.

And why do you need democrats? Republicans control the entire government. Why are they so incompetent that they can’t get ANYHTING done?

 

This made my day !!!!!

Thanks Natty

 

Lol except it won't slow down increases otherwise trump wouldn't have done it
When did scotus rule on the subsidies?

 

Suspect something fishy.

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Fake News Nonsense.

Congress never appropriated the backdoor payments to Big Insurance so favored by "progressives". The Court confirmed that the payment stream was unconstitutional. Congress, despite repeated opportunities to authorize these payments has not done so. The President does not have the authority to spending without Congressional Appropriation. It's like you are completely unaware that you live in a Liberal Constitutional Democracy or something!

 

Afford what?

 

It's convenient to reminisce, but far more timely is the gross disparity between Trump's promised "something terrific!" health care that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!" and what he has just inflicted on Americans.

Hus callous hypocrisy aside, he just took a mega-dump on the GOP Congress.

 

The fact that you think it's only one side of congress that functions as a cabal of plutocrats displays your naive vulnerability to political marketing

 

Better yet And they were subsidies or as my leftist friends say "Corporate welfare" you'd think this would be a good thing in their world of corporate hatred

 

Republicans added 161 amendments to the Obamacare Bill, entirely with the intent of preventing its passage. But as I said, not ONE Republican in Congress voted for it:
Link: https://www.reference.com/business-finance/many-republicans-voted-obamacare-6d2b7abbd87ad5b2
Q:
How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?
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The Affordable Care Act, also called Obamacare, received no Republican votes in either the Senate or the House of Representatives when it was passed in 2009. In the Senate, the bill was passed with a total of 60 votes, or 58 Democratic Party votes and 2 Independent Party votes. The House passed the legislation with 219 Democratic votes.

What makes me and so many other Conservatives furious is that when we finally got an opportunity to get rid of this wretched government handout welfare program, what did Republicans do? They froze in terror! Scared to death that millions of people who LIKE the idea of having the government pay their medical bills would vote against them in the future. A "subsidy" is nothing but handout WELFARE... and as Trump has pointed out, even the method by which Obama did that was illegal!

Besides, when did anybody who lives off of government welfare ever vote for anybody but Democrats anyway?!

. "How about, 'I pay for me' and 'you pay for you'... isn't THAT fair?!"

 

Totally Agree the payments are indeed illegal, I am a conservative by the way but we need to be honest to have a constructive debate. If Obama broke the Law so has Trump as he HAS been making payments since he took office until now! why stop now? because he sees this as a bargaining chip not because of the FACT that is illegal this is something he said himself to the Wall Street Journal. Putting Politics aside this won't hurt the millionaire folks in congress, not Chuck, not Nancy, not sanders but guess who? the forgotten men and women Trump spoke about although is politically great for the base it will hurt the base !the payments should continue Short term until Patty and Lamar can strike a deal.

 

No but they killed every attempt to repeal and lastly better care President can only do so much by law, isn't that what the Obatard told all of us! It was a pretty good point then so why is it being forgotten today, oh maybe it has something to do with partisan asspuke

 

The money helps people to pay their deductibles when they get care, it doesn't go to the insurance companies' bottom lines.

I'm guessing your leftist friends aren't primarily interested in harming low-and-middle income people out of spite.

 

First, no one can blame the Heritage Foundation for Obamacare: http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/dont-blame-heritage-obamacare-mandate . If you read this piece, Dr. Butler will put your mind to rest on that issue.... No, Obamacare was cooked up by opportunist, radical Democrats, who hired creatures like Jonathan Gruber to cobble it together for them. Gruber, you may remember was "outed" for saying, a "lack of transparency" and the "stupidity of the American voter" helped Congress approve ObamaCare."
Link: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass

Next, only Congress can create law. It's really just that simple. A president can sign a law, or veto it, but ONLY Congress can create law. Congress created Obamacare as a "mandate" -- and that was the form it was in when Obama signed it. It was obviously unconstitutional on its face!
You cannot force an American citizen, just because he exists, to buy anything. So when the challenge against Obamacare came to the Supreme Court, the liberals on the court rubber-stamped it (of course....), but it was Chief Justice Roberts who took the completely unconstitutional initiative to RE-WRITE Obamacare as a "tax" instead of a "mandate". ONLY CONGRESS CAN RE-WRITE LAWS!

Bottom line: we need a "single-payer" system where all participants make up the largest customer-base in the world. Everyone who is part of the single-payer system pays their own premiums for the coverage provided by the heath insurance company or companies that provided the lowest prices and best care during a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BIDDING PROCESSES. That's right -- the health insurance companies would BID for our business! They would have to compete for our business! That would mean lower premiums, better coverage, and much lower "co-pays" and "deductibles". But, for it to be financially sustainable, each person who is part of the system must pay his/her own premiums! No welfare, no subsidies, no tax-deductions.

Anybody who didn't want to be a part of the single-payer system could go get his/her own health insurance to suit themselves, or, if they said they could not pay because they were too poor, then they could always enroll for Medicaid! But, nobody would be FORCED to buy anything, as in a "mandate". That "mandate" crap was always wholly unconstitutional and illegal in the first place!

 

Ya so you and the insurance companies "CLAIM".

But here is what happens when you rush something and gave stupid people designing it

Subsidies.
They were never lawful because Congress never appropriated the money.

An the most shameful thing is The Obatard was suppose to be a Constitutional Scholar and he should have known this or did, but in either case it's his stupidity or corruption that come back to haunt his record and signature BLUNDER

But all crap aside Here is the biggest mistake the Obatard made in his time in office! The ass just thought he was all that and now Trump is have the best laugh of them all! I say KUDO'S to Trump!

 

Correct, which flow to the insurance companies and are unconstitutional and illegal

"Trump has made the payments, guaranteed to insurers under Obamacare to help lower out-of-pocket medical expenses for low-income consumers, each month since taking office in January. But he has repeatedly threatened to cut them off and disparaged them as a “bailout” for insurance companies."

 

May 12, 2016
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The subsidies were authorized by the law, but Congress rejected an appropriations request from the administration to fund them. The administration moved some money around and funded them anyway. Estimates indicate that the program would funnel about $130 billion to insurers over the course of a decade.

The House suit argued that the move was illegal, usurping the legislative branch’s power of the purse. The administration argued that the decision to fund the program was just a normal matter of statutory interpretation, and any confusion over its status just a result of Obamacare’s “inartful drafting.”

U.S. District Court Judge Rosemary Collyer agreed, writing that "Congress is the only source for such an appropriation, and no public money can be spent without one,”"
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/12/federal-court-rules-that-obamacare-subsi

 

This is why conservative preach, "Once you start paying out subsidies the left will want them forever!" and in this case even if they're illegal

 

It's not a claim, it's how things work. Insurers have to pay part of people's deductibles and co-pays for them, and HHS has to make them whole for that.

You say that very confidently for someone who apparently learned what these funds are just within the past hour.

 

LMAO, you clearly haven't a clue how this issue worked

 

Did I not say you were correct? Yet the money still flows to the insurers not as the premium but as the deductible and copay amount of the cost. You said it does not go to the insurers.

So you got a point?

 

Deductibles and copays are paid to health care providers (doctors and hospitals), not insurers. They're the patient liability piece of the equation.

Insurers are required to pay providers part of that patient liability for certain products in the exchanges. But since it's the patient liability piece, by definition paying for it isn't priced into premiums. There's no premium revenue to cover it. That's why the law requires HHS to reimburse insurers for exactly what they spend on people's deductibles and copays. No more, no less.

 

I used to say that during his eight years in office, President Messiah broke the law no less than three times! Now, I will have to change that to no less than FOUR times.... He could have been impeached, and should have been impeached for any of these four instances of breaking the law.

1. Broke the War Power Act with his illegal actions against the legitimate government of Libya.
2 Broke the law, flagrantly, concerning "recess appointments". Not even Obama's own appointed stooges on the Supreme Court would back him on that.
3. Broke the law (which he signed into law himself) governing the handling of prisoners held in Gitmo and their release-for-hostages.
4. Now, this law-breaking violation involving these stinking "subsidies" -- the handout welfare provision for Obamacare....

Don't worry, Libocrats... your wonderous ex-prez Messiah won't ever see the inside of a courtroom. It's funny how the LAW doesn't apply to big-league Democrats... Hillary will never see the inside of a courtroom, either....

 

No offence towards you, but someone has it all wrong When was the last time you went to the doctor and the receptionist told you that "YOUR" co-payment was the insurers problem There is a reason why it's called a Copay, and until you meet your out of pocket then the patient will have to meet/pay their percentage of the visit..

 

Dude you are all over the place

Jesus man you're like Jekyll & Hyde debating yourself