Trump to end Obamacare subsidies that help low-income Americans

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  1. Elcarsh

    Elcarsh Well-Known Member

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    Wait just a minute, here. Trump decides on an executive order that nobody has the faintest idea what the consequences of which will be, and you're just fine with that?

    No projections, no predictions, just not a bleedin' clue, and you just go "Ah, we'll see what happens!"?
     
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    Ooohhh, let me guess; it has got absolutely nothing to do with the constant concentration of wealth to the very wealthiest and business and legislative decisions that screw over poor people at every turn?

    I'm sure it's just them poor people being lazy. I mean, if your family can't even afford food on the table you're just lazy if you don't study to become a doctor!
     
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    Insipid act on Trump's part.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Follow your own advice at the bottom of every post you make,

    Don't panic!
     
  5. Elcarsh

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    This has nothing to do with panic. I'm asking what the consequences will be of this executive order, and the best answer you can give is "Haven't a clue!".

    That's not good enough.
     
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    His pantywaist apologists worshiped their messiah when he promised "something terrific!" that would "cover everybody!" at "less cost!" and they worship him as he contrives to cover fewer at higher and drive up the deficit. Blind faith.

    It is those who swallowed his fake pitch who will now suffer as a consequence for whom I feel sorry.


    Sad, very sad.
     
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    For the record. I don't like EO's no matter who is signing them. I called Obama out when he did it also. And the EO was not an invention of the left.

    Obamacare was the Heritage Foundations plan. They are hardley "socialist lite"

    All due respect Poly, the entirety of my post was to point out as a response, that claiming that your only "paying for someone else" because of Obamacare shows a complete lack of understanding of how the Healthcare System in this country works, let alone basic capitalism. Removing people from roles of the insured, does not mean that you wont still be paying for them. That cost of them shifted from subsidizing their insurance, to now be charged more by your provider to cover their losses on those who don't pay. It is in a very literal sense robbing peter to pay paul.

    The SCOTUS did not "illegally" re-write the law. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it illegal. I don't have to read the constitution because the SCOTUS read it for us and they said its legal.

    Look, Obamacare was not the best we could have done, but its what we got. So when the right took control, instead of fixing those parts that weren't so great, they actually worked to break it even more. First they defunded the Risk Corridors, and now Trump is forcing people off of the roles by removing their subsidies, thus, purposefully destabilizing the market even more. Then the right will stand on a pedestal and claim it was just a bad law. Its beyond disingenuous. The right cant stand having anything the left did come off as a "win", so they will do anything to break it. The rights last healthcare plan had support of around 30% of the public, yet they still pushed it forward.

    The left today is being driven solely by their disdain of anything they can label "liberal" or "democrat". So much so that they are wiling to take away peoples healthcare, and possibly allow them to die, just so that they can say "democrats suck".
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The best answer I can give you is, as a male I will no longer have to pay for maternity benefits for myself.
     
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    Pollycy said:
    Our Conservative "side" had nothing whatever to do with the inception, organization, or implementation of Obamacare. It was designed by Jonathan Gruber and the socialist-lite, Democrat crudballs to be a "mandate", passed as such by the Demoocrat Congress, signed by Obama, illegally re-written by SCOTUS Chief Justice, John Roberts, to be a "tax", and, for all these years since, it has turned into a completely fouled-up, mismanaged, death-spiralling MESS. But now that Obamacare's an ever-more expensive, steaming pile of unworkable sh*t, the hyperliberals are screaming that it's all Trump's fault? The Left's big "subsidy" welfare handout blows up in its face, and you call it Trump's fault...?! :lol:

    The ACA was a Bi Partisan effort. Republicans added 170 amendments
     
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    I delight in the fact that many Trump supporters will not be able to afford decent coverage....warms my heart...
     
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    Congress didn't approve Obama's subsidies so Obama took it upon himself via executive order to make the subsidies happen. However, there's one problem. The executive branch can't do that and the courts agreed...

    "The United States House of Representatives sued the previous administration in Federal court for making these payments without such an appropriation, and the court agreed that the payments were not lawful."
     
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    Fake news. he didn't end the subsidies to the people, he ended it to the insurance companies
     
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    The subsidies are an example of corporate welfare at it's most revolting; the ACA is a criminal joke.
     
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    I'm sorry - I missed that.

    Could you post it 4 more times in a row?

    Premiums were skyrocketing anyway; tens of millions are uninsured or under-insured and going bankrupt paying for horrible policies.

    The ACA is a criminal joke, and corporate welfare at its most revolting.

    These subsides were disgusting payoffs to supplement horrible "coverage."

    Medicare for ALL is the way - like the rest of the sane world
     
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    Pssssst...

    Your premiums were going up anyway; the insurance companies are criminal combines more concerned with gathering wealth than saving life.

    Pass it on...
     
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    Was gonna happen anyway; the insurance companies are criminal.
     
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    It's interesting isn't it?

    But 100% sounds low; isn't it more like 150% to 200% for many around the country?
     
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    Actual life is more precious than the artificial concept of money.
     
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    As long as it includes medical; otw, Medicare for ALL.
     
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    Tens of millions simply can't afford it.
     
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    Some good points.
     
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    And I remember the left lauding those same actions. Funny how hypocrits on both sides like to ignore the past.
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Much agreed. The only cabal of Plutocrats more evil is the present Republican Congress.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I delight in the fact that many Trump supporters will not be able to afford decent coverage....warms my heart...


    Why would you say that? If Trump supporters get what they asked for isn't that a good thing ? :)


    Keep my hands pout of your wallet? WTF has that got to do with anything...???
     
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    "Trump to end Obamacare subsidies that help low-income Americans "
    Dotard in Chief reduced to sabotage.
     
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