Trump to end Obamacare subsidies that help low-income Americans

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Natty Bumpo, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    12,744
    Likes Received:
    3,136
    Trophy Points:
    113
     
  2. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    12,744
    Likes Received:
    3,136
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just an observation. Trump promised to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it. The "Mexico is going to pay for it" portion
    was an integral part of the promise, and anybody with a half a brain knew that this wasn't going to happen. So he should get off that
    subject, that would cost us 35 billion. We now have 200-300 billion dollars of hurricane destruction to resolve. What is he thinking??
     
    Bowerbird and FoxHastings like this.
  3. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,506
    Likes Received:
    14,911
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You can stop parroting the exaggeratied the deficiencies of the ACA. You now have your promised "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" Trump®Care.

    Ignore insurance analysts' concluding that it will deprive millions of coverage, screw the middle class especially, and drive up the deficit. The Messiah has delivered.

    Trump's America need not acknowledge the repeatedly-demonstrated paradigm of single-payer universal coverage at far lower cost. The ideological dogma of trumpery forbids recognizing reality when it does not comport with an article of faith.

    Now that the promise of "something terrific!" has been fulfilled, coal has become the energy source of tomorrow, steel production is at 1950s levels, and Studebakers and Hudsons are again rolling off the Detroit assembly lines (as the atmosphere is blithely impervious to all that industrial effluvium, of course) we can rally to "Birther!" revival meetings when not raging about the occasional genuflection during a song amidst a sporting venue's solemn foreplay.

    The Word of the Lord is now to be found in hysterical pissy tweets!


    [​IMG]
    "I know words! I have the best words!"

    (He's so special he can grab Harvey Weinstein by the p****!)
     
    Bowerbird and FoxHastings like this.
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,506
    Likes Received:
    14,911
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Neither he nor his groveling minions are bound by the constrains of reality. They have crossed over into The Trump® Zone.
     
    ibobbrob and Bowerbird like this.
  5. arborville

    arborville Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2013
    Messages:
    2,725
    Likes Received:
    620
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    What makes you think the Lord is pleased? He provided free health care and was the archetype of giving.

     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2017
  6. Richfaceboy

    Richfaceboy Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    329
    Likes Received:
    150
    Trophy Points:
    43
    How do you think Insurance markets Work?I will explain it in Layman terms since I have a background in the Industry, You have one group who never use their policies pay for another group that claims so if you are sick of paying for everyone else and just want to pay for yourself do not get insured. In the event you get really sick who do you think will pay for all your treatment ?and I hope you do not! someone else has to subsidize ya get it ? The Cost of Care Far outweighs the premiums in most cases. On the Subject of Trump cancelling the payments, that's very delicious red meat for the base but in reality less money in the pool means can you guess where I am going with this as the cost need to shift? just in case you miss it well the healthier people and sick people have to pay more so essentially you are cheering to pay more!. strange times .Trump is a phenomenon he is the only world who can get a crowd to cheer an increase in their own expenses amazing guy! #Winning #MAGA

    But never mind we have lost any sense of critical thinking just blindly support the Teflon Don.

    Solutions :
    The Best option would either a full and complete repeal of Obamacare and let the free Market work or the federal government will have to help absorb the cost with the condition of reforms. I think Rand Paul has a fantastic idea the only problem is it is not LAW.

    But To think what Trump did will reduce insurance premiums is beyond Stupidity.
     
  7. Greenbeard

    Greenbeard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2012
    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    128
    Trophy Points:
    63
    You're confusing two things to happened to occur in the same week. This has nothing to do with Rand Paul or Trump's executive order.

    This is about Trump's announcement that he'll end payments to insurers he's required to make. He started telegraphing this back in April so this summer Trump's expected action was priced into many premiums for 2018. He added 15-25 percentage points (depending on the insurer and the market) to premium increases for next year. And he did it deliberately.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2017
  8. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Trump is intent on destroying everything Obama accomplished regardless of who it damages. Iran will be a big one and likely lead to two(2) new nuclear players under his "Watch".
     
    ibobbrob, Bowerbird and FoxHastings like this.
  9. Bear513

    Bear513 Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2012
    Messages:
    7,576
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    Trophy Points:
    113

    You remember when the democrats squealed with delight when Obama said he has a pen and a phone?


    Well Trump has one better a big fat eraser ..


    .
     
    headhawg7 likes this.
  10. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    48,652
    Likes Received:
    32,391
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes.

    Trump is a completely UNPREPARED MORON with no clue about the responsibilities of his office.
     
    ibobbrob, Bowerbird and FoxHastings like this.
  11. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 18, 2009
    Messages:
    30,444
    Likes Received:
    6,429
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Senate didn't sign the EO.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  12. Bear513

    Bear513 Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2012
    Messages:
    7,576
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Why should he get off the subject that cost taxpayers over a 100 billion a year, every year?
     
  13. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113


    Oh, GAWD! That mouth looks exactly like.........and I used to think it was such a delicate little rosebud of a mouth....now it looks like the owner...
     
    Natty Bumpo likes this.
  14. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,101
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He is dealing with what Obama and the Democrats gross disparity between what they promised and what they did and Obama's unconstituional and illegal subsidies to big business. I thought you opposed corporate welfare.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2017
  15. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    48,652
    Likes Received:
    32,391
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It reminds me of that old joke about "Blower's Cramp".

    Oh, and back on topic, Trump's EO on health care once again proves that he is a MORON.
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  16. Greenbeard

    Greenbeard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2012
    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    128
    Trophy Points:
    63
    The CSRs don't benefit insurers, they lower people's deductibles and copays. The benefits flow entirely to people.
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  17. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,101
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The subsidies are unconstitional and illegal why don't you deal with that argument. Your guys set this up not Trump so stop shaking your rattle and get the Democrats to actually work to fix this mess they created.
     
    headhawg7 and mngam like this.
  18. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,101
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    These are premium subsidies going to the insurers and they are unconstitutional and illegal.
    "ObamaCare’s Premium Tax Credits can be paid to your insurer in advance to lower your monthly premium on a Marketplace plan or adjusted on your tax returns."
    https://obamacarefacts.com/insurance-exchange/premium-tax-credits/
     
  19. Greenbeard

    Greenbeard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2012
    Messages:
    1,061
    Likes Received:
    128
    Trophy Points:
    63
    No, these aren't premium subsidies. They're reimbursement insurers get for paying part of people's deductibles and copays for them. That's why they're called cost-sharing reductions.

    How can you have such a strong opinion on something when you have no understanding of the issue?
     
  20. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,101
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Slowing down increases won't help?

    The subsudies are unconstitutional and illegal and Obama and the Demofrats created this mess and now need to stop obstructing and helpnthe Republicans fix their mess and make it constituional and legal.
     
  21. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,101
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Obama violated the Constitution and the law with the subsidies. The court has rules as such. The federal goverment cannot unconstituionally illegally dole out money. Trump did the correct thing to end unconstituional and illegal government payouts.

    Now since the Democrats created this mess its high time they stopped their obstruction and offered workable solutions or get out of the way of Republican and vote for theirs or we run them out of office and elect people who will.
     
  22. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    12,744
    Likes Received:
    3,136
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Not any more. He has proven that with more border guards, fear of getting caught, new and modern technology (drones, etc), that the number of incursions can be reduced dramatically without a wall that may have very limited success at a huge cost of 35 billion. That money can better be used for infrastructure, inner cities, and hurricane relief. The infrastructure expense has been estimated to be in the area of four trillion dollars, the rebuilding of our military to be about one trillion, and he will have increased the national debt ,when his
    regime finally ends, by thirteen trillion dollars. That is a lot of moolah.
     
  23. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    12,744
    Likes Received:
    3,136
    Trophy Points:
    113

    When you are older and your body starts to fall apart, you will have a different viewpoint, yes?
     
  24. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2015
    Messages:
    17,070
    Likes Received:
    9,459
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Good, cause you don't pay for them now
     
  25. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2015
    Messages:
    17,070
    Likes Received:
    9,459
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree !!! Well Said.
     

Share This Page