UH-OH...I have been told to Stand Down.

I don't see a radical Sunni regime taking over in Syria as being a big deal for Israel, although of course they would try to make one out of it. So long as whoever takes over in Syria has no WMDs, or much in the way of a conventional army, they wouldn't present much of a danger to Israel. Even if they sent forces into the Golan Heights, which Israel would no doubt call an ''invasion'' or an ''attack on Israel,'' they would be easily repelled before they got anywhere near Israel and would give Israel an excuse to occupy more land in Syria, perhaps to set up a ''buffer zone'' or something.

The initial goal seems to be to destroy as much of the Syrian army as possible, without giving too much in the way of advanced weapons to the ''rebels.'' The upcoming US attack would seem to be designed to tip the balance once again in the ''rebels'' favour, and prolong the conflict.

Iran and Syria have a defence agreement, so it's not inconceivable that Syria would attack Israel if Israel attacked Iran. Given that Iran is further away and doesn't have chemical weapons or any other sort of WMDs, Syria could conceivably do considerably more damage to Israel than Iran would be able to. So it would make sense from Israel's point of view to wait for Assad to fall, which is surely only a matter of time if the US is prepared to give the ''rebels'' a helping hand, before bombing Iran.

Also, a Sunni regime in Syria that owes it's existence to the west and/or the Saudi police state, is unlikely to be friendly towards Iran and Hezbollah. So Hezbollah would end up isolated from Iran.

As South Lebanon is part of ''the Land of Israel'' according to the Bible, Zionist Jews presumably believe that it belongs to them. Israel has built settlements on every piece of land it has occupied, except South Lebanon, and it is thanks to Hezbollah that Israel has never managed to gain control there.

Bearing in mind that Israel recently persuaded the EU to designate Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation, I wouldn't be surprised to see another Israeli invasion of Lebanon after Assad falls and Hezbollah becomes isolated, and then an attack on Iran.

 

Uh Oh Obama told to Stand Down.........

 

Regardless of the validity of the OP....the general idea behind this thread makes great sense.

We have before us a very complex situation that should not be dealt with from the hip diplomacy, it seems our president has decided to let the congress we rely on t do it's job (as if they can do so). The president has made clear his intentions, and directed our military to do so...he is simply following the law and allowing our congress to either accept this...or deny it.

Now would be the time to express opinion to the folks who will decide.....call your congressmen.

 

Hi, just thought I'd check back in with this thread.

Abu Sina, domestically here this is a very shrewd political move by Mr. Obama, but also a very risky one. He's gone out on a limb, he's placed our foreign policy back into the hands of a Republican Congress. To me, and perhaps other Americans as well, this behavior is rich in "signals". Some of it seems to be directed at the American People. I'm not sure.... we'll see. This may be - may - be the beginning of some genuine awakening by our President. I don't know. The next few days will probably give us a whole lot of information along those lines, one way or the other.

 

I think it's more about a Nobel Peace Prize winner getting impeached

Do not be surprised if there is a small false flag somewhere, possibly on mainland USA before 9th September, nothing too major, to get the American public back on board the Titanic

 

All of Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine are part of Syria. Abraham was Syrian (Deuteronomy 26:5-9)

Isaac's wife was Syrian and Israel's 4 wives were Syrian. Plus Israel made a covenant with Laban/Syria that all of Israel's children are Syrian, and shall not aggress on Syria or Syria upon Israel. They also covenanted to abide by the Gospel that came to them through Abraham. (Genesis 31:44-55)

 

Ha ha - cynical much?

I hear you though. But I don't think so. If anything happens domestically before the 9th the level of outrage will be so extreme that no one would put a leash on Obama anymore. You saw what happened after 9/11, right? Bush had a 90% approval rating going in, and that lasted for weeks.

There is some reality I'm seeing in all this - which is, that it's really hard to hide stuff anymore. This internet is great, people can just switch on a direct real-time video from Syria or wherever.... y'know... instead of "too little information" that had to be worked hard for, like we had in the days of libraries and newspapers, now they've gone the other way and loaded everything with 'too much' information so it's sometimes hard to discern what the reality is.

What I know is, false flags take time. They have to be set up. "Conditions" have to be controlled. And etc. It seems to me, our President has just gone the other way. Like I said, I might be wrong. Maybe he's a lot more devious than "even I" give him credit for.

 

That you make very little sense is understandable....that you likely truly believe what you type is just pathetic.

 

He saw how Cameron did it, that's all. He's looking to Congress to get him off the hook.

 

Should the US Military stage a coup and oust Obama?

Would there be much public support for that if he done a Morsi and refused to leave his throne?

Serious question

 

wait and see if any 'FBI manages to avert terrorist explosion' followed by an audio from a cave somewhere admitting responsibility story gets mentioned in the next 2 weeks

 

No and no. Dead serious answer.

There is vocal anti-Obama sentiment, of course, but the vast majority would regard a coup as a horrible, illegal, unprecedented act here.

 

I'm not looking to get into a theological debate here. I was referring to the Jewish religious belief.

 

Not gonna happen.

It's just not in us. There wasn't even serious thought about Clinton staying in office longer than expected while chads were being counted during the 2000 election debacle.

Well, there's your serious answer.

 

Another Obama administration leak.

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Yeah I dislike the guy, but he is the president until 2017 for good or worse. Unless Valerie jarett confesses.

 

Uh....yeah.....like I said.

 

Nope, no way don't buy it.

The Syrian Army are winning .......any chemical weapons used by anyone would give the US the excuse they need.

Can't trust the French who are dying to get in there, they missed out on Iraqi oil and now got a taste of Libyan oil ............ but please don't tell us thar Michigan are not following any chemical weapon uses .....please just don't.

 

Well, except the Iran and Iraq war had overwhelming support of the American people.

 

ME? You think that I am some Obama Stooge?

No Chance!!!

Not that I dislike the President....although I will freely admit that I along with a number of people wish he had never publicly talked about OVERTLY supplying the Syrian Rebels with arms as that is what the CIA is for.

If you have watched the news today it is quite obvious to you and anyone else reading this topic why I was told to Stand Down.

Now that I have an even better picture of what is going on over there I am actually HAPPY now that I and my Team did not have to go.

I will admit to having very strong Paternal Instincts for those Kids....or rather...MEN....as they are the best of us all.

It is not that I am overly concerned for their safety or even mine for the matter....but what I would have been concerned about now knowing what I know is that my Kids might have been placed in a...Pull Trigger....situation as usually I would have refused such a...JOB as this but in this case since I was asked by a close friend and could not say no....I would have been going into an....NOT YET WORKED OR PREPPED...environment.

If there is one thing a young man...no matter how well trained or prepared such young men could be....will be effected by is to have to Pull a Trigger too often or for a reason that is caused by the people we are dealing with were not informed ahead of our arrival to who and exactly what they would be dealing with.

Now I have INGRAINED in my kids heads that 99% of the people we meet with will within the first 20 seconds have the need to make a statement either with words or actions and that 99% of the time this is just for show but one can never tell so I tell my kids....Be COOL....but be VIGILANT!

The problem is such people we meet just have no idea how a too quick of a movement or a too loud of a word is all it takes for one of my highly trained kids to react lightning fast.

So such kids given to me have to learn an entirely different manner in how to protect themselves and even protect those people we are meeting from causing a reaction from my kids.

Now since I am NOT Military but my kids are....I have to occasionally listen to some Colonel go on and on about how HE THINKS...my specific lessons to my kids are corrupting their PROPER TRAINING.

Now such a Colonel or General....as honorable as their intentions might be....HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO F@#%&$# IDEA WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC TO WHAT IS MY JOB AND WHAT TRAINING I GIVE MY KIDS TO KEEP EVERYONE ALIVE.

So....I am NOT an OBAMA stooge or a U.S. Military Stooge or nor am I a AGENCY Stooge....I just AM.

AboveAlpha

 

Look....this whole thing is something that I should be dealing with along with members of ALL SIDES....in a FULL DISCLOSURE MEETING....and if this was done EVERYONE would then understand what will happen and what the risks, costs and damage will be if any side....well I hate saying it this way but this is the only way to say it so I will....If any side decides to ignore what we would convey in such a meeting by not doing what we tell them to do.

I know that sounds bad but it is simply the truth.

If I was over in the region I would just say to all sides....LOOK....this is what we know is going on....this is what we want....and we are giving you a reasonable deal considering what the OTHER possible outcome will be for you...and you...and you....and YOU.

So....tell me right here and now what you are going to choose to do and if it is at least...CLOSE to what we want I think we can take this meeting to the next level which will have a favorable outcome for all parties considering the alternatives.

Now problems start when a side or party just doesn't get it and can't come to terms with the very soon coming reality that is....if you do this....THAT WILL HAPPEN....if you don't do this....THAT will happen....but if you are smart enough to do...THIS....lives will be saved, you will stay alive and perhaps latter on there will be something in it for you and your side.

Now I have been doing this for over 3 decades and when certain parties leadership are told and explained IN DEPTH....with nothing being unclear or murky or ill defined....but everything being LAID RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THEM....both good and bad and I say....THIS IS REALITY!!! Such people get the message.

This system WORKS and people generally appreciate such a high level of candor.

But for such a system to work and this means building a reputation by REWARDING THOSE WHO CHOOSE THE RIGHT PATH....and burning to the ground those who do not.

AboveAlpha

 

What I will now say is a FACT.

The single most damaging thing that can happen to a country other than WAR...and even actual physical war might in some cases be less damaging....is to be a country that has an economy that depends upon the sale of exported goods to the United States and has it's MOST FAVORED NATION TRADING STATUS DOWNGRADED OR REMOVED.

There are the talking heads that spout ideology and cry fowl on TV about this or that and scream...The United States did this!!! The U.S. is doing that!!! American Empire!!!!

But in private such governments and leaders are saying to each other...."Gee....do you think we might have gone a bit too far with this latest anti-U.S. rhetoric?"

Putin goes on Russian TV and blasts the U.S. as he is playing to that Russian Demographic that longs for the days when the CCCP was a superpower to be reckoned with....but in reality Putin knows that in order for the Russian Economy to stay afloat....Multi-Billion Dollar Trade Agreements with the U.S. and E.U. MUST take precedence.

The Chinese Communist Party Leader goes on TV and blasts American 7th Fleet Maneuvers near the South China sea and also blasts Japan...a staunch U.S. Ally over some Island Dispute....but privately the Chinese Leader asks his fellow Communist Party Leaders...."Do you think we are acting too hard over the Island issue and perhaps we should not antagonize the USN's 7th Fleet as after all the 7th Fleet is more powerful and has greater capabilities than our entire PLN....Peoples Liberation Navy?

The new Iranian President goes on TV and before doing so has spent all the previous day and night performing his speech to the Iranian Nation in front of his advisers as this New Reform Minded Iranian President must balance the right amount of Anti-U.S. rhetoric which is demanded by the Hard Liner Iranian Religious Old Guard....yet at the same time this Iranian President knows if he is EVER to be able to fulfill his promises to the Iranian Population of which over 70% are 30 years old and younger computer savvy, democratically minded young Iranians who desire not only greater Western Styled Freedoms but also desire to exchange the Iranian Nuclear Program for the U.S. Lifting of Sanctions and American Aid.

So....perhaps the U.S. is not responsible for who might lead a specific country....then again....perhaps it is.

AboveAlpha

 

Ramstein was da bomb! You would have had a good time there. I was there as part of the 316th AD close to 30 years ago. Memories...... Does this mean you are going on food stamps?

 

Well....if you were there let's see if you can answer this question.

Germans get irked by Americans deployed to or working out of Ramstein because....

a. They don't like to be reminded they lost WWII.

b. The Locals hate it when aircraft such as C-5B's leave there screaming engines with full payload.

c. Germans never get used to a Racially Diverse U.S. Troop Bar Deployment.

d. Germans just bristle when they see the grass along the Base Perimeter not being properly cut and trimmed.

e. Germans are still P!$$@# OFF the base name is not spelled Rammstein.

f. Germans hate the fact Americans like the band Rammstein even if most Germans don't.

g. All of the above.

AboveAlpha

 

LOL. Some of the locals were pretty pissed about the noise. Candidly, after spending more than enough time at Kelly with B-52-F's running 24x7 noise doesn't even register in my brain. Actually, the true reason Germans didn't love us - the women in Frankfurt preferred us Americans because our weiners didn't look like miniature anteaters. And by miniature, I mean microscopic.

 

Sorry dude, but as a career intel officer myself I call BS. Not on the fact that stuff is going down, but on your claim they WANT you to talk about it. Nobody in your CoC or leadership channel told you to go on a forum and talk about this stuff. That isn’t the way the IC works, whether you are a civilian, contractor, or uniformed.

Now, if you are talking about it for your own political reasons then more power to you. I finally walked away from the IC myself for political reasons. But don’t pretend you have been sanctioned to talk about these things. Even if the information you are sharing isn’t classified it can breach OPSEC. Not that I personally think that is likely.