Unemployment emergency benefits has killed jobs. Here is why that's a GOOD thing!

OP still hasn't corrected his misstatement in the OP.

So, thread is basically nonsense, even after 5 pages.

 

I'm sure that you discuss the minimum wage increase with all of the businesses that you interact with right?

And you're presenting a strawman. No one has said that all small businesses would shut down. They have said that many small businesses would shut down due to it. But they've never said all. And you have acknowledged that small businesses would be shut down due to it. You acknowledge that by saying straight out that its good if they do. After all, if you can pay it then why can't they? I never would have said that you're comparing your business to others if you hadn't brought up the fact that you own a small business and pay more than $15/hr. You also compared other businesses that you personally know. You don't say what those types of businesses are. But we can rest assured that those businesses are the same types of shops as the ones that will be shut down? Except I'd bet that they're not. Different products, different clientele, different area even.

For example I would bet that a Mexican restaurant on Rodeo Dr in Hollywood has a far different clientele than a Mexican restaurant on the outskirts of Population 5 Thousand Small Town USA off of US Hwy 95 in Idaho. That alone would change the pricing of meals and income that a restaurant could bring in. But hey, that Mexican restaurant off of Hwy 95 should still be able to pay $15/hr to its dishwasher...right? And if not? Too bad. Do it anyway, and if you can't then you should shut down! And I'm not even getting into their competition yet.

 

Democrats have engaged in a bait and switch, fooling many uneducated Democrats. The $15 minimum wage would pull about 900,000 people out of poverty, while causing 1.4 million people to be laid off, according to the CBO.

Bravo, Democrats. Bravo.

 

I wouldn't say "all". But it is a topic that comes up now and then.

Do you even bother to read what the discussion is about before jumping into it?

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ts-a-good-thing.587935/page-2#post-1072631269

Right! If they can't pay them $15, maybe the owner should start washing dishes. When I started my business I did EVERYTHING. Not only almost all the field work (I had one other technician), but typing letters, keying in my invoices, receiving all phone calls and cleaning up the office. My wife helped, but she had her own job.

In a mom and pop restaurant, if mom is the one who cooks, then pop needs to be washing the dishes until they can afford to pay somebody to do it for him.

 

Not so. The $15 increase is not done in a vacuum. First of all, the increase in wages would boost demand of goods and services. Which would promote growth and compensate for much of the loss of employment. As for the rest.... this is why there is a parallel project to boost the recovery and development of infrastructure. This, in turn, will boost more demand for goods and services... .and more employment.

 

I don't know about right-wingers but my concern is minimum wage laws determine wages not by a free natural economic system but by armchair ideologues who may or may not know or care about economics.

 

But the minimum wage exists. Your statement that wages are determined by supply and demand "Period" implies that it doesn't exist. Are you withdrawing the "Period" part? Which means that they are also often determined by the minimum wage and not just supply and demand?

Whether this should or should not be like that is another topic. In fact, it already is by the 13th A. You can't have people work for you for free. Or only in exchange for just food and shelter. Even if the so called "free market" were to ever come to a point in which that could happen. That would be servitude, which is not allowed under the 13th A. Which implies that there is a minimum wage to be paid. How much that is must be determined by somebody. The "Necessary and Proper" Clause indicates that it should be Congress.

 

A blanket $15 minimum wage is stupid. It should be left up to the states. $15 in California is still poverty wages. $15 in Arkansas will give you a decent living.

 

It IS up to the states.

 

Then why is Biden pushing for a $15 minimum wage?

 

I am confident in my position that ass-sitting is not a good thing for workers. Turning productive members of society into overweight, out of practice, dependents is simply not sustainable and robs them of one thing the government can never give them" Dignity!. The only benefit I can see would be to foreign countries

The quote:

"Bottom line, the jobs that a $15 job (or benefits) that this kills are jobs that deserve to die."

translates into:

The jobs you kill here will be replaced with child labor in foreign countries with no regulation on the amount pollution.

All you have done is admit that the concern dems claim to have for workers, human rights, and the environment are nothing more than political platitudes designed to manipulate gullible voters.

 

I have an answer. $15 doesn't affect all that many people. Wages have already risen to the point that even illegal labor costs nearly that much. It mainly affects high school and college kids, by killing their jobs and helps the meth addicts working at McDonalds. But, overall, it doesn't help many people. But since Democrats know that their voters can't do math or research, it makes them fell warm and fuzzy.

Which is why I challenge liberals to do it right. $100/hour minimum wage. Why shouldn't a crackhead working the window at McDonalds make less than a lawyer or doctor?

 

I said wages are determined by supply and demand, period, in a free market regulated by (only) general laws of conduct. I never claimed this was the current situation.

 

Has the OP ever come back to correct the demonstrable false statement in his OP? We're at page 6 and he's apparently still running with a lie.

 

Who brings it up? You? Or them?

Yep. And frankly I think what you said is rather disgusting. Your side loves to complain about Republican's not having any empathy or caring about others, yet here you are showing no empathy or care in the world. Indeed, you seem quite gleeful at the hardship of others.

And here you are again, comparing you to others. When you have no idea what it takes to run a restaurant. It is not a one person job. Your job CAN be done by one person. Running a restaurant cannot be. It can't even be done by 2 people. I'll also note that you refused to acknowledge the difference in location, as if it doesn't matter at all.

 

No answer? That's a shame. But not a surprise.

Thanks for playing...

 

The word "are" (which I highlight above) is the present tense conjugation of the verb "be". "Present"... That means "current"

 

You didn't ask a question. You believe that ass-sitting is a good thing and I disagree.

 

Only someone that never ran a business, doesn't understand markets, and is into Big Government would ever think this is a good thing. It's for total idiots.

 

I don't know... it just comes up.

You are correct. I have no empathy whatsoever for sweatshop owners who exploit others.

This thread is not about me. It's about unemployment benefits and how they are putting your beloved sweatshop owners, for whom you feel all this "empathy", out of business.

 

So a Mom and Pop business which is struggling to survive is a sweatshop?

If you you had a valid argument, such misleading statements would not be required.

 

I could ask you read the whole post, but that would be way too much to ask.

 

I quoted your whole post hoping you would read it.

 

Uh huh....

You don't know what a sweat shop is and you are devaluing the experience of those that do work in sweat shops. (look to china for that one). Not surprised really. Lefties always seem to resort to extreme rhetoric in order to try and promote their ideas. Hence why calling someone racist now a days is common and no one actually pays attention to it except those that are racist themselves.

You made it about you when you brought yourself into the argument by comparing you and your business to every other business out there. Deal with it.

And again, not surprisingly you ignore that which shows how weak your argument is.

 

Sure you do.

Biden The Usurper is completely out of his depth.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/buchanan-are-halcyon-days-over-joe-biden