UNREAL ADMISSION: Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria

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    Be true about anything and all around us, not just on your ex-wife ppl :wink:
     
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    Yeah, and the illegal weapon dealer also offers lot of employment in the factories where the weapons he sells are made.
     
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    It's the dreaded excuse; "Israel is the only democracy" gambit. Heard it before, didn't buy it then, don't buy it now. Hey, I'm not trying to change your mind and nobody is changing mine.
     
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    Like I said past talking to to Christian Zionists and Israelis on the issue. What I said was

    You believe you can oppress people for ever and take away their homeland without any consequences. Of course there are consequences. When the US Democratic Party starts having an even handed response to the situation in Israel/Palestine, it will change.

    Of course we do not know which way it may go. The West may go far right and the Christian Zionists may get their Armageddon or the West may start putting its actions where its mouth is and start acting in a just and humanitarian way and maybe some peace and justice will come to the region. People will also stop gravitating towards Isis when they see some hope of that.
     
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    How would you know what the truth is? You've just guessed the amount of foreign aid going to Israel and guessed way wrong, did you not?
     
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    That would explain the US support for the Assad and sending arms to help him. Oh wait!
     
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    They do? Because I found nothing about it.

    The Russians support Al-Assad.
     
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    Didn't catch the 'oh wait!'?
     
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    I'll be square with you, I've given you my honest thoughts about aid to Israel. However, I'd put that in the middle of my Low Priority List of things to be concerned about.
     
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    Which is not a lot. And why would we give Palestinian a single penny of military aid?
     
  12. Grau

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    SUCKERS FOR ZIONO-AID"



    First of all, calculating Aid to Israel is impossible because of the enormity of it, the different ways in which it is given:
    -immediate payment vs incremental distributions, "loans" that are always forgiven, "Pay-Off" to Egypt for being nice to Israel (another form of "Aid to Israel" and ways in which it is disguised.

    The following article helps to explain the ways & degrees by which AIPAC and America's nest of traitorous, "Israel First", Zionist Shills rob easily duped Americans:

    “Israel as financial parasite: the staggering cost to Americans”
    http://www.sott.net/article/260462-Israel-as-financial-parasite-the-staggering-cost-to-Americans

    EXCERPT “When Israel attempted to sink a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Liberty , in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring over 170, it still failed to put a dent in aid to Israel.[47] Indeed, aid quadrupled the following year.

    EXCERPT “Yet Israel receives approximately 10% of America's foreign aid budget every year.[4] The US has, in fact, given more aid to Israel than it has to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean combined - which have a total population of over a billion people.[5] And foreign aid is just one component of the staggering cost of our alliance with Israel.

    But first, let's take a look at what our alliance with Israel truly costs.

    - Direct Foreign Aid

    Israelis receive 10,000 times more US foreign aid per capita than other people throughout the world, despite the fact that Israel is one of the world's more affluent nations

    - Additional Ad hoc support for Israel

    Israel has often used its privileged access to US military technology against both the US government and US corporate interests.

    - Lost jobs, trade, and standing

    Then there's the cost in lost jobs. "US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs," Stauffer estimates. "Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.""CONTINUED


    Please consider, for a moment, these things:

    1. What do Israelis (most, not all) seem to think about the "American Suckers" from whom they easily extract $ Trillions

    “What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”
    http://forward.com/articles/216074/...out-americans-start-with/?p=all#ixzz3U6lIMhyL

    EXCERPT “Jerusalem — Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.
    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,”
    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    An American might respond with the saying “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me,” and observe that this outlook, with deep roots in the American psyche, rebuts the Israeli stereotype of Americans as ever-trusting.
    But for many Israelis, the question is, why trust anyone even once?
    In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.
    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction.”
    CONTINUED

    _ _ _ _

    2. Reciprocity: What does America get in exchange for bankrolling a thankless & back-stabbing, genocidal, Regional aggressor and global pariah other than US fought Wars to make the Region a safer place for Zionist Hegemony (Please see "Oded Yinon Plan" using a source other than the Hasbara infected Wikipedia [1], [2]

    While the EU benefits from doing business with Iran, AIPAC etc ensures that the US Government makes doing business with Iran at least, difficult.[3]

    The fraudulent & Zionist fueled demonization of Iran & AIPAC backed sanctions have cost the US economy $ Billions, if not $ Trillions. That, too is a "Cost of Israel"

    _ _ _ _


    3. Please consider the loyal American blood & $ Trillions it has cost the US to remain at War with the Islamic World and America's Zionist driven "War on Terrorism / Islam".

    "Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."-- John Sheehan,


    _ _ _ _


    4. Cost in stolen technology:

    - “U.S. Military Technology Sold by Israel To China Upsets Asian Power Balance”
    http://www.washington-report.org/co...rael-to-china-upsets-asian-power-balance.html


    - “Espionage Theft & Secrets within US-Israel Trade”
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/14/grant-f-smith-us-israel-trade-espionage-theft-secrets/


    - “AIPAC’s Role in Spying & U.S. Foreign Intervention”

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/aipac_role_in_spying__205.html




    _ _ _ _ _



    As I have written before, if you want to see the REAL Cost of Israel to America, please consider volunteering (or at least visiting) on of America's underfunded, understaffed V.A. Hospitals where mangled, burned, mutilated & traumatized US Veterans languish in the halls waiting for artificial legs & arms.

    “Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC’s successes over the past year”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun; Jan. ’03




    Thanks








    [1] “Manipulating Wikipedia Content: Israeli Program to Train Editors to Ensure that “What is Written” is “Zionist in Nature”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/manipu...-what-is-written-is-zionist-in-nature/5321059
    EXCERPT “ In(*) August 2010, the Yesha Council together with Israel Sheli (My Israel), organized a workshop in Jerusalem to teach people how to edit Wikipedia articles in a pro-Israeli way."CONTINUED



    [2] “CAMERA; REWRITING HISTORY ON WIKIPEDIA”
    http://electronicintifada.net/conte...el-groups-plan-rewrite-history-wikipedia/7472



    [3] “Iranian Economic Boom Will Be a Bust for US Businesses”
    "http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Iranian-Economic-Boom-Will-Be-a-Bust-for-US-Businesses-20150901-0012.html".

    There’s a lot of money to be made doing business with Iran, a country of 78 million people—the second largest population in the Middle East, after Egypt. It has a highly educated population

    After all, Iran has the world’s(*)second largest gas reserves(*)after Russia and it is fourth in oil reserves. Iranian officials say they need(*)US$185 billion to update the petrochemical sector. The nation is thought to have rich deposits of zinc, copper and gold, and experts say that mining has the potential to become a(*)US$60 billion industry, rivaling the country’s oil industry."CONTINUED




    [4] “EUROPEAN COMPANIES BEAT U.S. TO IRAN BUSINESS AFTER NUCLEAR DEAL REACHED”
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/aug/25/europe-us-iran-business-nuclear-deal-sanctions
     
  13. Grau

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    Your true loyalty is showing again.




    “Record number of Americans living in poverty”
    Census Bureau says 43.6 million people in 2009, up near 4 million in a year
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39211644/ns/us_news-life/
    EXCERPT: “WASHINGTON(*)— The number of people living in poverty in America rose by nearly 4 million to 43.6 million in 2009 — the largest figure in the 51 years for which poverty estimates are available — the Census Bureau said Thursday.” CONTINUED



    “Tribes of the Homeless Veteran”
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/19/tribes-of-the-homeless-veteran/


    “Wage Drop Has Been Worst In Decades”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/pay-cut_n_807241.html




    “‘Our relationship to Israel causes dead Americans and enormous expense in fighting Muslims’ — Scheuer to Congress”
    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/relationship-americans-fighting#sthash.MMxY3uNF.dpuf

    EXCERPT “A lot of people are passing around this amazing testimony before Congress two weeks back by former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, in which he says that the reason that Muslims want to become jihadis is not who we are but our foreign policy.

    Americans need to have a debate at last about whether supporting Israel is essential to US security, or having troops in Muslim countries is essential, or supporting Saudi Arabia is essential, Scheuer argues. If the people want to believe that, “fine.” But they should know that “costs come with that.”

    Notice Peter King lands on Scheuer with doctrinaire statements about supporting Israel, and Scheuer responds:

    “If it was up to me, I’d dump the Israelis tomorrow. All I worry about is that continuing preaching of American politicians to the American people that our relationship with the Israelis doesn’t cause us to have dead Americans and extraordinary expenses in fighting the Muslim world.”

    The politicians want us to believe we’re fighting a bunch of longhaired bearded goat eating madmen who don’t want us to have women in the workplace, Scheuer says. But that’s not why they’re attacking us. It’s because we’re trying to impose our political culture on them.”CONTINUED


    MEANWHILE:

    LOYAL Americans think we give Israel too much



    “MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS THINKS U.S. GIVES TOO MUCH TO ISRAEL”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/google...ens-think-us-gives-too-much-to-israel/5410863

    EXCERPT “The major(*)response, that aid to Israel is “Much too much” is 33.9 percent of Americans.(*)(*)Some 26.8 percent believe(*)it is “too much” while 25.9 percent believe it is “about right.” Only 13.4 percent of Americans believe(*)U.S. aid to Israel is not enough.

    Elected officials passing ever larger aid(*)packages and supplemental spending for Israel simply cannot claim they are representing the majority(*)interests of their constituents.(*)(*)

    It is also worth noting here that 1) the top ten recipients of US aid (with Israel as #1) all, like the US itself, have torture regimes,

    The only category of Americans (47.6 percent) who believed U.S. aid for Israel is “about right” is the(*)segment earning $150,000 or more (although even 42.9 percent in that category thought aid was too(*)high).(*)(*)

    The next lower income category, $100,000‐149,000 is the most vehemently opposed to aid, with(*)79.5 percent believing it is too high (42.9 percent responding “much too much” and 36.6 percent “too(*)much.”)CONTINUED
     
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    God your thick. Like a broken record that wasn't any good to begin with. But by all means keep wasting your time by writing page long documentaries about how "Jews r bad, derrrr..." Maybe you should start a moment who's goal is to put them all in "camps" in order to "concentrate" them? Sound like a plan? Racist scum pile.

    By the way. If you are trying to sound intelligent or if you're trying to convince people that you are right, then you might not want to use places like veteranstoday or globalresearch as your sources. Makes you look like an idiot. Because, let's face it, anyone who actually believes what those hack sites say has the mental fortitude of a wet noodle. You don't actually believe what they say, do you? Cause that would be funny as (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    1. Are you seriously trying to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about proper grammar? It's the (*)(*)(*)(*)in Internet mate. (*)(*)(*)(*) grammar. I use my phone for this site, I type as fast as I can to get done so I can do other (*)(*)(*)(*) and I dont proof read after I'm finished to check for any errors and I do that because I don't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*). That you do makes you one of the saddest fools on the Internet.

    2. Been to several of them. Killed someone in almost all of them. Just a few more to go to knock off that bucket list.

    3. No it's because you didn't have anything to say. And people on the Internet who have big long stories like you about how you've "been to the refugee camps and treated the poor sad torture victims" are usually full of (*)(*)(*)(*). I'm guessing you're 17 maybe 16 still living with mommy and daddy and you've probably never even left your home state. Am I in the ball park there?

    4. My long wait is far from over. You post stories from sources like globalresearch and veteranstoday? Do you live under a rock? Are you so out of touch with reality that you think those are credible sources? Jesus tap dancing Christ that's funny as all get out. I mean look at the veteranstoday story. Why the flying (*)(*)(*)(*) would a Israeli General be in operating the field in the middle of Iraq? That makes no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sense whatsoever. Maybe if they had tried to say it was just some Mossad officer it be more believeable but no. They went full retard and claimed it was a general. Never go full retard. And isn't it funny how no real news source has covered these stories? Seems like something that would be headline news in places like Syria or Iran or Russia. But no. Not a peep.

    Please keep going. This is one hell of a comedy you are putting on.
     
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    LOL! Was wondering when that was coming. It really is amazing how long folks can remain in denial even after whole threads of evidence.

    10 million/day to Israel, NOT PALESTINE, might not be a lot for you, but it sure would feed and shelter many if not all of the American kids routinely sleeping on the streets and eating out of dumpsters.
     
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    You people are a laughable joke Israel in no way supports ISIS and has never claimed that they support ISIS only a delusional holocaust denying nut job could equate not liking Hezbollah and Assad to supporting ISIS.
     
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    You're out of context quotes prove nothing except that you're a liar. Saying that if you had to choose between the terror state of Iran and the terror state of ISIS that you would choose the terror state of ISIS is not saying you support ISIS especially because one doesn't have to choose, Israel combats both Shia and Sunning terrorist scum while Russia and Assad support both.
     
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    That it's the only liberal democracy with full and equal rights for all citizens regardless of race, Creed, gender, or special orientation in the region and that it's surrounded on all sides by 5th century throw back savages whose lands should be turned to glass in order that western civilization can survive by ending the Islamic Imperialist invasion at its root? OK done and done.
     
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    That is so wrong and just shows how little you know about the truth in that region as Hamas IS the democratically elected party of Palestine.

    And I won't even bother going into: "...equal rights for all citizens regardless of race..."

    LOL man, do some actual reading on this stuff unless you prefer to continually embarrass yourself.
     
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    All Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as Jewish citizens of Israel anyou assertion to the contrary is a flat out lie.

    As to Hamas, after they won a plurality in the election they betrayed the unity government and took totalitarian control over Gaza placing Hamas members in all echelons of power including direct Hamas control over the police and security forces it was absolutely no different than the Nazafication of Germany in 1933 that is not a liberal democracy by any definition of the term. And FYI thanks to Hamas there continues to be no such thing as Palestine let alone the mythical Palestinian people which are in fact Arabs no different than any other Arabs as the leadership on both sides readily admit.
     
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    Radical muslims are not really attacking radical muslims. ISIS are rolling in and killing moderate muslims that wont submit to ISIS demands and ideology. It doesn't make tactical sense to allow moderate neighbors to be wiped out and replaced by extreme ones.
     
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    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) = "PATHETIC"




    That's the best you could do for a response?



    My guess is that your "guess" is more autobiographical than anything else just as your following claim to fame is nothing a REAL combat veteran would claim & expect anyone to believe since you know NOTHING about the Mid East or its realities:



    If you had ever REALLY been in the military, you would know the difference between "tactical" and "strategic".....try again.

    So, run along, lil' fella, keep practicing on your English and go play with the rest of your fellow, lying Zionist Shills......
     
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    No they don't! This has been debunked so many times. look up property rights
     

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