US bars entry to International Criminal Court investigators

I agree. The US should quit playing world police and go about things the old school way. Leave us alone and we leave you alone. Mess with us, your country becomes a parking lot.

Step one. Leave the UN, NATO, World Bank, and all those other useless organizations. The money saved from those things along would add 10s of billions a year back into the treasury.

 

I read this in reverse (I do this always with hard leftist language)
Tear gassing some Gazans who are attacking your border is a
small response to rockets fired at your major city. If this was
Russia I would imagine there would be no Gaza left. They did
this when they flattened Grozy, and murdered all the people
who were offered "safe passage" out of. Not a word of it from
the people who rage about Gaza, Apartheid or Venezuela. It's
Highly Selective Morality - which is no morality at all.

 

Maybe government is wise enough to know it can't trust government. But because they're government, they get to live by double standards different from the rest of us.

 

The West agreed with the ICC when it was just arresting black people. Why I am I not surprised that some now see a problem.

 

You are suggesting the US has been successful in its Imperialism. The Chinese are not correct. The idea has been to get people into neo liberalism and for that it has pretended to use democracy and with respect to Iraq they wrongly believed that would take away the power of Islam. However where the Chinese are correct is that the neo cons decided in the 60's that religion was one of the ways to control the masses and so encouraged the US to get back into religion. It also used religion in Afghanistan when it was supporting fanatical arabs in preference to democratic afghans as it believed that being fanatical, they would not come to an agreement to end the war - something they did not want as their intention there was not to help any Afghans but to make the USSR bankrupt. In doing this the US worked with the Sauds to create extremist Muslim terrorist groups, something which later came back to bite them.

None of that changes the reality that the US has gone against international law and that this has resulted in the deaths of around 4,000,000 Muslims and the rise of Muslim terrorism including such terrorism in the West. British Intelligence made clear that invading Iraq would likely result in terrorism on the streets of London. Given they knew that and continued when they knew Iraq had no WMD's nor was she about to have WMD's which could attack us in Britain within 40 mins as we were told, it is difficult not to think the US and UK had a deliberate reason to want to bring Islamic terrorism to the West.

You do not follow International Law and as such are a danger to the world, The ICC of course can only do what it can do. A guilty verdict would result in those so found being liable to arrest if they left the US.

 

I didnt. I have been categorically opposed to its existence for as long as I have had political views.

 

This meaningless statement - rule of law can't trust rule of law? - no doubt makes sense to you, because you have already decided that individual freedom must be the over-riding principle in human affairs, despite the current and looming demographic, economic and environmental catastrophes.

 

Mostly hairy chest thumping.

Trade, elimination of poverty at home and abroad?

Sorry, we are all in this together; your mindless 'go-it-alone' satisfaction with a return to nuclear arms proliferation is a one-way ticket to oblivion.

 

Already an interesting thing ...
The US, supposedly the best, greatest and largest democracy with the supposedly best legal system acts no differently than states such as North Korea or Iran, which in turn are referred by the US as a rogue states for same behavior. Irony on it's best!

As a German, I have to ask myself if subsequently the Nuremberg trials against the surviving Nazi bastards may be regarded as legally invalid and even as an offense by the victors. May the survivors of the bastards, who are then killed at the gallows, sue the US and the others for damages?

Anyway ... the hypocrisy of the US is shining brightly in this case!
Since the US install as a leading power this international criminal court ... catch and bring themselves various bastards in front of this court and clap applause when she has to be convicted ... but woe when the evil deeds of the US will be the subject. Then exactly happens what now happens.

Same we see and saw with the UN too ... Thank you Uncle Sam to give proof of your real face which is not better as that of those whom you call to be evil!

 

Honor is what our government lacks completely.

Our government is not avoiding the ICC to protect their citizens so much as it is avoiding it to protect their own tails. Bush & Co were convicted of war crimes in Malaysia, and they would be convicted in any other open court. Barack too.

 

You are correct.

There is no law above the U.S. Constitution.

 

The Israelis see themselves as The Chosen Ones, or Chosen People, however it's put in the Bible.

The federal government sees itself as Exceptional.

Both groups break laws as they see fit.

The US government has passed illegitimate legislation giving it permission to violate the Supreme Law of the Land, even as our elected officials routinely violate their oath of office.

And most American citizens are too busy watching Dancing With The Stars to even notice....

 

Some people don’t understand the concept of a country. It evolved from ancient times for the need of protection and justice. Some governments are good, some are bad, but it is their essential duty to protect its citizens. Submitting to an external power that can come and grab your citizens goes against the purpose for which the government and country exists.
In the US no law, foreign or domestic, is above constitution. Even if the US signed the treaty it wouldn’t survive Supreme Court.

 

Were these marchers per chance on their way to Venezuela and South Africa?

 

Pompeo is showing the Establishment's true hypocritical colors telling the judges "Agree with us or your visa will be restricted". What a clown.

If it is some other nation - especially if it is one we don't like - rulings from the ICC are to be taken as the word of God. If it is the US - well that's a different story now isn't it.

This is declaring to the world the if the ICC does not act like a kangaroo puppet of the US - the membership of the ICC will be punished.

Thanks Pompeo for turning the US into a Joke on the world stage.

 

This has already been achieved by the U.S. executed "Operation TP Ajax" - the Illegal occupation of Vietnam - illegal forays into Cambodia - the use of chemical weapons such as Agent Orange - the illegal invasion of Grenda - the lie of WMD's and illegal invasion of Irak - torture at Abu Graib and Guantanamo - the illegal execution of Osama bin Laden - U.S. involvement in Syria - etc. etc. etc. None for which any U.S. official has stood trial.

I wouldn't call it "running". It is more like forming their wagons in a circle .... or wall.

 

Belgium used to have a law where we could Sue warcriminals regardless of nationality

Bush and Blair and bunch of others where sued like that
But the US put alot of pressure on US to change that law when it happen. Otherwise things May have been intresting if he ever visite brussels after his predidency

 

" …the concept of a country. It evolved from ancient times for the need of protection and justice"

hence the development of rule of law within nations. (in 'modern' times, beginning with Magna Carta in 1215).

Fast forward to 1946; with the image of that cloud rising over Hiroshima etched into everone's brains, some people grasped the need for an international rules based system, which implies modification of the concept of absolute national sovereignty (just as rule of law within a nation implies specified limitations on individual liberty).

But the tyranny of individualism (and great power rivalry) won the day - and cobbled the new UNSC with veto powers that almost guaranteed its inability to secure international peace, as subsequent history has shown.

So here we are without an effective international rules based system, despite the need for same in an increasingly interconnected global economy - and a possible looming environmental catastrophe, the economics of which can only be dealt with via an integrated global financial system.

 

I would remind you that Article VI states: "...;and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every state shall be bound thereby,..."

 

The U.S. has not made a treaty with the ICC. It doesn't recognize the ICC. Get over it.

 

Oh hell, I've been over it for years, at least since Dubya took us to war under fraud. Probably before, considering what I learned in Southeast Asia.

The federal government commits so many crimes in so many places that if we were in the ICC, too many of our guys would be in the dock. Yeah, Dubya is dumb like a fox.

 

My friend,

US has always denied International Court to operate on it’s soil.

Where’s the news?

 

Judging by the look, his suits are Zegna. Notthing wrong with that.

 

Their masque is off.

 

You have to remember why the UN was created and with that International Law. That was because we had shown ourselves that we were incapable now we had the weapons of not engaging in ever worse wars killing ever more millions and particularly with nuclear bombs this had to stop. That the ICC is wanting to take the US to court is because the US decided not to abide by International Law. It seemed for ages it was just going to be allowed to continue this way. If everyone followed the US we would have nuclear war, germ warfare before you knew it and that is particularly so given people must do first strike. Indeed I do believe YouTube has put on my tv a talk by Lavrov saying that Russia believes this could break out. The US appears to have begun to believe in its own omnipotence. It got away with a lot because people sort of believed it's stated motives. That is over. That will not come back.