US Coast Guard Commandant: We Are Falling Far Behind Russia in Arctic

Well.....I posted all the other stuff because Destroyer of Illusions thinks and keeps posting pictures of destroyed Abram's Tanks.

Even though there only has been ONE CASE of an Abram's Tank being destroyed by the ENEMY and they did it by burrying a 500 lbs bomb and detonating that bomb when an Abrams Tank drove over it.

Every other case of U.S. Abram's Tank Crew Members being killed was due to FRIENDLY FIRE!!

There has been 2 cases of an Abram's Tank being damaged by a RUSSIAN MADE...not Soviet Made...but RUSSIAN MADE SHAPPED CHARGE ANTI-TANK MISSILE.

The crews survived.

The other cases of Abram's Tanks being damaged and just a few were destroyed but ALL CREW MEMBERS SURVIVED....has been due to ANTI-TANK MINES.

There has NEVER BEEN A CASE WHERE A SOVIET OR RUSSIAN MADE TANK HAS DESTROYED OR EVEN DAMAGED AN ABRAMS TANK!!!

The Soviet and Russian made Tank Rounds simply DEFLECT OFF of the Abram's composite armor.

I wrote all that because Destroyer was attempting to give members the FALSE IMPRESSION that U.S. Military Abram's Tank's were easily destroyed and some were destroyed by T-72's.

This is simply a FALSE STATEMENT!!!

It is unfortunate but the only time any U.S. Abram's Tank Crew has died is because of U.S. Military Friendly Fire and I am not certain but I will look it up....I believe that 500 lbs bomb might have killed some of that single Abram's Tank Crew.

AboveAlpha

 

lol....considering their operators are all drunk, might as well say they're driverless now!!

 

Okay so just tell them how to copy the design or something why don't you?
You've even been quoted already.
Who cares what some ..whoever posts on a forum.It's not good to be posting that.
I bet the Chinese have copy/pasted 10x already.

Do you get the picture now or are you really that dense?
Screw it,maybe you're a traitor passing information using this website as a cover and acting ignorant.

 

The T-14 Armata (Russian: Т-14 «Армата»; industrial designation "Object 148") is a Russian 5th generation[8] main battle tank based on the Armata Universal Combat Platform. It was first seen in public (initially with its turret and cannon shrouded) during rehearsals for the 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade.[9] From 2015 to 2020 the Russian army plans to acquire 2,300 T-14s, although unit costs are a concern.[10] [3]


Contents [hide]
1 Design
1.1 Armament
1.2 Mobility
1.3 Protection
1.4 Sensors and communication
2 Unit cost
3 Export
3.1 Egypt
3.2 China and India
4 See also
5 Image gallery
6 References
7 External links

Design[edit]Featuring a number of innovative characteristics, the T-14 represents a new generation of Russian main battle tanks. The most significant new feature is the use of an unmanned turret, with the crew of three seated in an armored capsule in the front of the hull.

The development of the tank took five years[11] and was initiated after the earlier, incrementally innovative, T-95 (object 195) project was cancelled, after protracted development, with authorities citing excessive weight, complexity, and cost.[citation needed]

Armament[edit]The main armament of the T-14 is the 2A82-1M 125 mm (4.92 in) smoothbore cannon,[4][12] a new replacement for the 2A46 of previous Russian and Soviet tanks. Noteworthy features include an absence of a fume extractor (due to the unmanned turret), a firing rate of 10–12 rounds per minute, and a maximum effective-penetration range of 8 km. The detection range of the tank's optical sensors is ~5 km for tank-sized targets[2] at day, and 3.5 km at night through the thermal imaging channel. The gunner sight's optical channel is equipped with 4x and 12x optical zoom.[2] The laser rangefinder has a theoretical maximum range of 7.5 km.

The Vacuum-1 sabot round which is currently being developed for the 2A82-1M cannon has a penetrator which is 900 mm long,[2] and are capable of penetrating 1,000 mm of RHA equivalent at a distance of 2,000 meters.[13][14] The new controlled-detonation Telnik HE-Frag shell is also available. The cannon also has ability to fire guided missiles,[15] a feature first implemented on Soviet tanks, with a new 3UBK21 Sprinter ATGM developed specifically for it.

The secondary armament consists of a 12.7 mm Kord (GRAU index 6P49) machine gun with 300 rounds (not observed during the parade) and a 7.62 mm PKTM (6P7&#1050 machine gun with 1,000 rounds.[2][15][16] All guns are remotely controlled.[15] In addition, another 1,000 rounds can be stored separately.[11] A 12.7 mm machinegun is installed above the turret roof-mounted commander's sight, which avoids visual obstructions, while the turret front has a peculiar slit that is speculated to be intended for the coaxial 7.62 mm machinegun.

In the future, the T-14 may use the 2A83 152 mm gun insteadd of its current 2A82 125 mm gun.[15][17][18][19] This gun, created around 2000 for the T-95 prototype,[2] has a high-speed APFSDS shell with a 1,980 m/s muzzle velocity, only dropping to 1,900 m/s at 2 km.[20][21][22][23] However, Russian engineers have been making such up-gunning claims for some 30 years and have kept the 125 mm-size gun, assessing that improvements in ammunition could be enough to increase effectiveness, while concluding that a larger bore weapon would offer few practical advantages.[24]

The T-14 can use anti-aircraft missiles.[2][25] A 30 mm anti-aircraft gun may be installed instead of the 12.7 machine gun.[26]

Mobility[edit]The T-14 is powered by a ChTZ 12Н360 (A-85-3A) diesel engine[2][27] delivering up to 1,500 hp.[2] The engine's theoretical, not normally used,[28] maximum power is 2,000 hp, at the cost of radically decreasing its service life, projected around 2,000 hours at nominal 1,500 hp,[2] comparable to other modern tank engines, and up to the unprecedented 10,000 hours at moderated 1,200 hp.[27] The engine is electronically controlled.[3] Operational range is over 500 km.[29]

The T-14 has a 12-speed automatic gearbox, with a top speed of 80–90 kilometres per hour (50–56 mph) and a range of 500 kilometres (310 mi).[2] At least one expert speculated that the transmission might be an electronically controlled mechanical gearbox with the external reverse and demultiplier gears, giving the tank equal forward and reverse gear ranges.[30] Other sources suggest a partly or fully hydrostatic transmission.[31] Uniquely for a Soviet/Russian design, the transmission is joined with the engine into a single unit that can be swapped out in the field in just under 30 minutes.

Unlike previous Russian and Soviet designs, such as the T-90/80/72/64, the T-14 has seven 700 mm road wheels, based on the T-80 variant.[31] It has the ability to adjust the suspension of at least the two first roadwheels, and, probably, the last one.[32] On the parade rehearsal video, a T-14 Armata is shown to retract one of the frontal first wheels during turns. This, and some recently published design blueprints[32] suggest at least a partial hydraulic suspension system based on the adjustable lever arm shock absorbers that now double as suspension actuators[32] and may have been done to improve the pivoting ability of the tank. An active suspension system improves the target lock time by a factor of 2.2, and the timeframe between target detection and reaction is reduced by 31 percent, all due to the resulting smoother ride.[2][32]

A lot of thought was given to the tank's strategic mobility. Its moderate mass of ~48 tons allows it to be easily rail- and trailer-transported, conserving its engine and transmission's service life, and it can navigate most of the solidly built bridges in the country, unlike, for example, the Japanese Type 90 Kyū-maru MBT, whose 50+ ton mass and large size forces it to operate only on Hokkaido and in selected areas of Honshu, where the bridges are specially reinforced and railways have sufficient clearance to allow its passage.[33] Moreover, two tanks with their crews and all attending equipment can be easily airlifted by the heavy An-124 transport plane. However, the most numerous Russian strategic airlifter, Il-76, is able to lift this mass only in its newest, PS-90-equipped variant, the still-unknown dimensions of the tank notwithstanding.

Protection[edit]In addition to dual-reactive armour Malachit[34] the T-14 features an active protection system Afghanit (Russian: Афгани&#1090. This system includes a millimeter-wavelength radar to detect, track and intercept incoming anti-tank munitions, both kinetic energy penetrators and tandem-charges.[2][35] Currently, the maximum speed of the interceptable target is 1,700 m/s, with projected future increases of up to 3,000 m/s.[36] According to the news sources it protects the tank from all sides.[14]

Defense Update released their analysis of the tank, where they speculate that Afghanit main sensors are the four panels mounted on a turret's sides, which are probably the AESA radar panes spread out for the 360° view, and possible one more on top of the turret.[37] In their opinion, the active part of the system it consists of both a hard kill and a soft kill elements, first of which actively destroys the incoming projectile (such as a dumb rocket or artillery shell), while the second confuses the guidance mechanism of ATGMs and such, causing it to lose the target lock. They believe that it would be effective against most modern ATGMs, including Hellfire, TOW, Javelin, Spike, Brimstone, JAGM, etc.[37]

Afghanit hard-kill launchers are the long tubes mounted in groups of five between the turret's front sides and the chassis.[14] These send out an electronically activated charge that shoots an Explosively Formed Penetrator towards the target (in all directions).[38] Aside from that, the tank is also equipped by the NII Stali's Upper Hemisphere Protection Complex,[39] which consists of two steerable cartridges with 12 smaller charges each, and a turret-top VLS with two more similar cartridges.[40] It probably corresponds to the Defense Update soft-kill system.[37] Additionally, using AESA radar and anti-aircraft machine gun it is possible to destroy incoming missiles and slow-flying shells (except hypersonic kinetic energy penetrators).[41]

The tank's crew of three is protected by an internal armored capsule[2] with more than 900 mm RHA equivalent,[2] increasing their chance of survival in case of a catastrophic kill.[13][42] Both the chassis and the turret are equipped with the latest Russian ERA system from the front, sides and the top.[14] Turret shape utilizes the stealth technology, decreasing its radio and thermal signatures.[14] The T-14 uses the integrated computerized control system which monitors the state and functions of all tank modules. In battle, the software can analyze threats and then either suggest or automatically take the actions to eliminate them, while without the external threat it can detect and rectify the crew errors.[15]

Serial production of the Armata Platform's ceramic armor components has begun in mid 2015.[43]

Sensors and communication[edit]The tank is equipped with the 26,5–40 GHz Active electronically scanned array radar [15] that has a range of 100 km, which is mainly used by the Active protection system. Up to 40 airborne or 25 ground targets up to 0.3 m in size[11] can be tracked simultaneously. The tracking system provides an automatic firing solution to the destruction of the target, which can be then transferred to either the APS or the main gun control computers.[2] The tank will be able to give target designation for the artillery,[11][44] serve in air defence and reconnaissance functions.[3][11][35][45] The T-14 uses highly protected communication channels that connect a group of T-14s and the command post.

The commander and gunner have largely indentical multispectral image sights, with the visible electromagnetic spectrum and thermography channels and laser rangefinders.[2] The commander's sight is installed on the turret top and has 360° field of view,[2][37][46] while the gunner's one, situated in the turret's niche to the gun's left,[37][46] is slaved to it and is additionally equipped with the direct-vision periscopic channel and laser designator for the gun-launched, Semi-automatic command to line of sight anti-tank missiles.[2] The detection distance of tank-sized object for both of the sights is 7,500 m at day through the TV/periscopic channel, and ~3,500 m at night through the thermal channel. Additionally, a backup night-vision capable sight is installed, with 2,000/1,000 m respective detection distances.[2] The driver in addition to the traditional vision periscopes has a Forward looking infrared camera[46] and a number of zooming Closed-circuit television cameras for an all-round field of view.[2] Video cameras are installed for all-round vision for the crew, since it lacks the normal vantage point of turret roof hatches. 360-degree camera coverage is perhaps one of the T-14's most unique features, although made necessary because of the extremely limited visibility without them. With the crew clustered in the front of the hull, they would have poor situation awareness if the camera setup and video feeds were to fail.[24] Although the T-14 is touted as a Russian-made next-generation tank, some components may not be entirely domestically made. Cybersecurity analysts have revealed Russian industries have had difficulty producing critical components of night-vision systems (standard on the tank) and have attempted to buy them from Western suppliers in the past through various operations. This means components of the T-14 could have originated outside of Russia, which may be more difficult to obtain or produce due to sanctions against Russia for its Ukraine activities.[47]

Continued.....AboveAlpha

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I will repost this part of tha above again.....

Although the T-14 is touted as a Russian-made next-generation tank, some components may not be entirely domestically made. Cybersecurity analysts have revealed Russian industries have had difficulty producing critical components of night-vision systems (standard on the tank) and have attempted to buy them from Western suppliers in the past through various operations. This means components of the T-14 could have originated outside of Russia, which may be more difficult to obtain or produce due to sanctions against Russia for its Ukraine activities.

LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata

AboveAlpha......continued.....

 

The Russian T-14 if anyone looks at it is an attempt by Russia to duplicate the U.S. Abram's....however the ARMOR of the U.S. Abram's ESPECIALLY the newer M1A2SEP ABRAM'S IS MUCH BETTER THAN THIS NEW RUSSIAN T-14 TANK.

The T-14 cannot and will not be built in any LARGE NUMBERS as at a COST OF $7.4 to $11.2 MILLION PER UNIT......RUSSIA CANNOT AFFORD TO MANUFACTURE THE T-14'S IN ANY GREAT NUMBER OR EVEN SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS!!!

Add to this the PROBLEMS THAT MANY PARTS AND ASPECTS OF THE T-14 WERE DESIGNED AND MANUFACTURED OUT OF RUSSIA AS TWO ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS USED IN THE T-14 WERE BEING EXPORTED FROM CALIFORNIA!!!!!

Russia will NEVER be capable of building enough of these to make any difference and even if Russia was capable of building at least 6000 to mirror the MINIMUM KNOWN NUMBER OF ABRAMS TANKS PRE-POSITIONED IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND EUROPE as the actual number of Abram's Tanks is CLASSIFIED.....U.S. Air Power would still take them out.

AboveAlpha

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Anything I ever post here is DECLASSIFIED INFORMATION that ANYONE can look up.

AboveAlpha

 

Just to add as this Topic is about the Arctic.....the Russian Military Buildup in the Arctic is something that is so small when you look at overall U.S. Military Force Projection Capabilities...it is LAUGHABLE!!!

This IS ALL FOR SHOW!!!!

The concept is for Putin to appear to those who support him in Russia as THUMBING HIS NOSE AND DEFYING the worlds only existing....HYPERPOWER....as this is the word that China and Russia are now calling the U.S. as Superpower is said not to be enough of a word to describe the United States as both an Economic Giant and having the MOST LETHAL MILITARY EVER CONSTRUCTED AND EXISTING IN WORLD HISTORY.

What PUTIN is most worried about is that his own people....RUSSIAN'S....will stop listening to his WAR DRUMMING and instead START PAYING ATTENTION TO THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT PUTIN AND HIS 110 BUDDIES HAVE STOLEN FROM THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE!!!!

As I have posted I have many friends in Russia most of them living in and around MOSCOW as they were at one time my COLD WAR COUNTERPARTS.

When the Soviet Union collapsed and my Team and I were in all former states of the Soviet Union and this includes RUSSIA.....as we provided security for U.S. Military Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons Destruction Teams....I got to spend a great deal of time with my new Russian friends as we were CLEANING UP OLD SOVIET BIOLOGICAL LABS AND WEAPONS SITES some in the Ukraine but most in and around Moscow.

I still talk to them when I can as I worry about them and they KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN RUSSIA!!!

Putin and 110 former members of the KGB, GRU, Soviet Military and Soviet Communist Leadership.....have completely seized control of every large sized company in Russia and call it STATE OWNED....yet Russian's HAVE NOT SEEN ONE RUBLE OF PROFIT FROM THESE STATE OWNED MOSTLY OIL AND NATURAL GAS ENERGY COMPANIES!!!

Everyone who is NOT AN IDIOT living in Russia knows what is going on and knows that Putin and these 110 Buddies own over 35% OF ALL RUSSIAN WEALTH!!!

Since Putin seized control of the once FREE MEDIA in Russia......EVERYONE IN RUSSIA IS AFRAID TO SAY OR DO ANYTHING AGAINST PUTIN!!!

The NEWS is controlled by Putin.

The POLLS are controlled by Putin.

The ELECTIONS are controlled by Putin.

The RUSSIAN COMPANIES are controlled by Putin.

The Military and FDS is controlled by Putin.

And if all that is not enough.....PUTIN KEEPS CHANGING THE RUSSIAN CONSTITUTION TO ALLOW HIM TO REMAIN IN POWER TILL HE DIES!!!

Think about that......the guy has actually changed the CONSTITUTION of RUSSIA so he can stay in office.

So how does Putin keep the Russian peoples minds off what he is doing and stealing???

Putin keeps talking about some non-existant Russian/American SHOOTING WAR...which will never happen by the way....but the Russian People being CONDITIONED FOR A 100 YEARS BY DICTATORS BE THEY CZARS OR COMMUNIST LEADERS OR NOW PRESIDENTS AND PRIME MINISTERS.....are led around by their noses.

BUT.....my former COLD WAR COUTERPARTS....are not so conditioned or stupid.

They see what is going on....and unless the Russian Economy pulls itself out of the CURRENT DEPRESSION it is in....Putin will not last.

AboveAlpha

 

In all honesty,I respect Putin more than ..The leader of the country I live in.
Not saying I totally like him or anything..and am ready for a "Red Dawn"
but I do respect Putin more.

 

Why?

Putin is clever only in that he was able to steal so much money from his own people.

The concept of RED DAWN is beyond idiotic.

I am not certain but I don't think you fully understand the disparity between the Russian Military and the U.S. Military.

THE GAP IS MASSIVE!!!

Russia has absolutely no capability to invade the U.S. and when I was in Kosovo at the Prestina Airport Russia sent A BUNCH OF RUSSIAN KIDS....Soldiers who were dropped into the area 100 miles away and had to walk to the Airport.

It almost caused a massive International Incident.

The Russian....and I call them KIDS because that's what they were.....were ordered to walk to the airport from their drop zone....and they are LUCKY that they were not mistaken for SERBS and killed by NATO AIRCRAFT.....then when they got their Russia had no capability to supply them with ANYTHING!!!

After a short time as they had run out of food and were drinking dirty water which was making them sick....we...the U.S. offered to help them.....the KIDS said NO!

They wanted desperately to say YES...but their Superiors told them if they accepted HELP of any kind from American's they would be COURT MARTIALED!!!!

And in Russia that basically means a BULLET IN THE HEAD!!!

I was there...the KIDS were getting sicker and sicker and starving.

We could not take watching this anymore and we actually CALLED THEIR SUPERIOR OFFICERS and said...."COME ON!!"......YOU A$$#@!ES are going to cause a bunch of KIDS to DIE because you won't let them accept food, water and medicine from us????"

A DEAL was worked out and British Soldiers gave the KIDS what they needed including really needed medical help.

This is a FACTUAL STORY and any member can Google the History of this happening.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm guessing you're not American.
Why were you in Kosovo?
Don't answer that..
Answer this: Were you there with NATO? and What country are you from?

 

I am an AMERICAN!!

U.S. CITIZEN.....5th GENERATION.

I am NOT MILITARY.

I am....."CIVILIAN"....in the manner the quotes denote.

I was in Kosovo and every time some European Politician who wanted to gain Political Prestige called for a CEASE FIRE.....the SERB'S would use this cease fire time to REPOSITION FORCES AND GET RID OF EVIDENCE!!!

There were swamps and frozen lakes....with the dead bodies of Muslim Women, Men and Children.

They just mowed them down and did so in the THOUSANDS and as they killed as many Muslim's as they could they did not have time to bury the bodies so they would truck off entire Villages to remote stops such as swamps....and then open up with .50 Cals and other Machine Guns.

I still have this image of this little girl with her eye's frozen wide open and the crows had not got to eating her eyes out yet.

I also felt really bad for those RUSSIAN KID'S!!

They didn't want to be there....there was no Older Officer with them.....they had no supply and were ordered not to take asny food, water or medicine or help of any kind by their superiors.

The ONLY reason their superior's allowed us to help them was it was the Brit's and not us....and we told them we would PUT THESE RUSSIAN KID'S PLIGHT ON CNN!!!

THAT's when the Russian Military relented and let us help them.

They did not have a water supply and were drinking bad water from drainage ditches etc.

They all got very sick.

You can read about this.

AboveAlpha

 

ok...You are American and you are a mercenary.
Where can I read about this?Hmm..I think I'm 5th generation American, too.
Umm..yeah,That usually requires your family to be here before America was a country.

 

I am NOT A MERCENARY!!!

I HATE MERC'S!!!

They make my JOBS difficult.

I am a PATRIOT!

You just have not understood why I stated I am a...."CIVILIAN"....in the manner the quotes denote.

My Mother as well was a...."CIVILIAN"......and my Dad U.S. Military.

I work with the very best the U.S. Military has to offer and my Team although the names have changed over the years are MEN of great courage and selflessness.

I have also worked with members of the British SAS and Aussie SAS as well.

AboveAlpha

 

Ok,I was just wondering what you're doing around a military situation n stuff like that.
you know, the Bosnian Serb thing.
Hopefully the day doesn't come soon when I think they had the right idea.

 

In a telephone conversation Monday, Russian President Boris Yeltsin and U.S. President Bill Clinton agreed that Cohen and Albright will meet with Russian Defense Minister Marshal Igor Sergeyev and Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov "in the next few days," Albright said.

In Pristina, Yugoslavia, on Monday, another round of talks between NATO and Russian military leaders failed to ease the impasse.

Moscow has insisted that its military force patrol its own sector and not serve under NATO command. NATO, however, has remained adamant that it divide Kosovo into five sectors controlled separately by U.S., British, French, Italian and German forces, and that all peacekeepers serve under the alliance.

The Russian force stunned NATO by arriving unexpectedly in Pristina ahead of alliance peacekeeping troops Saturday and taking control of the airport in the provincial Kosovo capital.

On Monday, Russian soldiers and vehicles were assembling in Bosnia to resupply Russian troops controlling the airport, Pentagon sources said Monday.

The troops told NATO commanders of the peacekeeping force in Bosnia that they will take food, fuel, water and equipment to about 200 of their fellow soldiers at the airport.

The Russians say the convoy, which include some 30 soldiers and 15 vehicles, will return to Bosnia after dropping off the supplies.

Pentagon officials, after initially saying the Russian troops were cooperating with British forces at the airport, conceded Monday morning that the Russians have blocked the access road with armored vehicles.


Presidents, deputies hold tele-summits

Russian Prime Minister Sergei Stepashin said his country must play a "substantive role in the political settlement of the conflict in Kosovo."

Stepashin, quoted by Interfax news agency, said that role "includes carrying out the international peacekeeping operation in the region under the aegis of the United Nations."

The prime minister said he had talked by phone with U.S. Vice President Al Gore and discussed an outline for that role.

Stepashin was quoted in comments at the opening of a Security Council meeting in the Kremlin as saying "so far, only the first step has been taken on the road to achieving a durable and irreversible solution of the crisis in Kosovo."


Bosnia-like compromise considered

Despite the Pristina standoff, a compromise could be emerging. Russian and U.S. officials have worked out a "framework" to enable Russian troops to participate in the Kosovo mission, according to a Clinton administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

On CNN's "Late Edition," U.S. Gen. Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, suggested Sunday that Russian troops could have a "zone of responsibility" within one of the sectors, much like an arrangement in Bosnia.

The plan could allow the Russians to serve under a general from a non-NATO country, perhaps Finland, who would in turn report to the alliance, sources told CNN.

Shelton said the Russians will likely contribute about 2,000 troops to the peacekeeping mission, known as KFOR, which is expected to total about 50,000 troops.


More troops wait

Russia has more peacekeeping troops ready to move into Kosovo, if political leaders decide to send them.

The Ministry of Defense has paratroopers and infantry ready at four Russian military bases -- Ryazan, Ivanovo, Yula and Pskov. The have been on four-hour readiness notice for several days.


Russian troops are still in control of the Pristina airport
However, no political decision has been made to send them, according to Russian paratrooper Cmdr. Georgy Shpak, quoted by Interfax news agency.

Another complication is unforeseen restrictions on the air corridor Russia would use to move in its peacekeepers. East European countries, especially Hungary, have refused to grant clearance for such flights.

Sources in the Russian military have told Interfax those countries are "violating international standards to please NATO."

The KFOR peacekeepers began deploying in Kosovo on Saturday, after the Serb-dominated Yugoslav federation agreed to withdraw its military presence from the province to end more than two months of NATO airstrikes.

LINK....http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9906/14/russia.kosovo/


Russian troops at the airport are low on suppplies

British troops in Kosovo have escorted a convoy of Russian troops through the province to link up with forces holding Pristina airport.

Between 200 and 400 Russian soldiers took control of Pristina airport when they entered Kosovo ahead of Nato troops on Saturday.

The Russians have refused British forces in Pristina, the regional capital, access to the airport, seen as a possible headquarters for peacekeeping operations.

But the advance force, which travelled to Pristina from Bosnia, arrived in Kosovo with limited supplies and has been running out of water.

The reinforcement brigade joined up with armoured vehicles from D Squadron of the Household Cavalry at 0800 local time (0700 BST).

They met 20 miles north of Pristina - the furthest north that UK troops have so far ventured.

Nine Russian vehicles were in the convoy carrying fuel, food, water and medical supplies.

Burning villages

The mission was intended to show co-operation between Russian and British forces in K-For, the UN-backed international peacekeeping operation for Kosovo, despite the political controversy over the Russian presence at the airport.

Nato and Russian generals have tried unsuccessfully for several days to resolve the stand-off

And US and Russian politicians have tried to negotiate a political solution - so far without success.

British troops driving north to meet the Russian convoy passed several burning houses.

Most of the villages they passed through were destroyed and some buildings were sprayed with bullet holes.

They also came across columns of Yugoslav troops driving north as part of the withdrawal process, and were accompanied by Serb families who are also leaving the province.

War crimes

Elsewhere, British war crimes investigators have begun work at the site of an alleged mass grave in Kacanik, southern Kosovo.



War crimes investigator David Gowan: "It's chilling"
UK War Crimes co-ordinator David Gowan and Metropolitan Police Detective Chief Superintendent John Bunn will pass evidence to the War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.

Mr Gowan told the BBC: "At Kacanik, we found very chilling evidence of atrocities.

"We found a lot of graves and there was a smell of decomposition. It was a very ugly scene indeed."

Mr Gowan and Mr Bunn left the UK on Sunday ahead of a team of about 15 British police forensic experts who will travel to Kosovo later this week.

LINK....http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/370461.stm

AboveAlpha

 

On "T-14 Armata" there were French night-vision systems... It was the only component not of the Russian production. Now and in the future, on T-14 will put thermographic camera of the Russian production - which according to all characteristics are same as French. The Russian ''night-vision systems'' were made three years ago, but time for working off of their characteristics was necessary.

 

No....nothing like this could ever be considered THE RIGHT IDEA.

There are MULTILE MILLIONS OF MUSLIM'S living peacefully in the United States and they are one of the Groups that have the lowest rates of arrest or crimes.

What went on in Kosovo and that area was WAR CRIMES!!!

The worse thing about it is every week a CEASE FIRE would be set up because some different European Politician wanted to get his picture in the News Papers!!

SLOBY BOY would just shake hands and pats on the back all the while he ordered his forces to KILL AS MANY MUSLIM'S DURING THE CEASE FIRES AS THEY COULD!!!

My Team was sent in the get EVIDENCE of this happening as the DAMN EUROPEAN'S kept thinking that anything less than Military Force would stop the Serbs from killing people.

If you had seen what I have seen you would have a very difficult time absorbing and processing the data in your mind as a person just CANNOT BELIEVE that people can do things like that to other people...but they can and do.

AboveAlpha

 

Yeah,I'm not too keen on mortaring Muslim schoolchildren at school;but what if that school is teaching them Jihad to come kill me,the big Kafir?
I'm not going to condone it..ok? I can't.
I know a lil bit about that stuff.
PS: I like ham sandwiches.

 

The FRENCH Night Vision Systems have two Computer Specific Electronic Components which come RIGHT OUT OF SILICON VALLEY!!!

And that is not the only other components of this tank that come from other U.S. Allies as there are Japanese Parts, Taiwan Components, U.S. and Canadian Electronics...etc.

It really doesn't matter anyways because Russia will never be able to build these Tanks in number and they are a very good tank as they are using the U.S. Militaries M1A2 Abram's Tank Design.

But the armor....although very good on the T-14....is still not a match for the Abram's Armor.

The Abram's Armor uses a Depleated Uranium and Carbon Fiber Composite Concept with reactive armor in small key areas.

The thing is even though Russia and China have samples of the Abram's Armor....it is NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DUPLICATE as the method of Armor Manufacture is much more difficult than getting the materials for the Armor.

In other words it's like a person who is an EXPERT DIAMOND CUTTER....and then another person comes along and they also have Diamonds and large one's but they are UNCUT!!!

The person who is an expert Diamond Cutter knows what he is doing and can continue to work his method of cutting diamonds into a specific pattern.

But the other person even though they have Diamonds has TO LEARN HOW TO CUT THEM BY TRIAL AND ERROR AND PERFECT THEIR ABILITY TO DO SO.

This is basically the issue with Russia and China as they have samples of the Abram's Tank armor.....but they just do not know yet how to manufacture and duplicate it.

AboveAlpha

 

These people were not Islamic Terrorists.

They were simple Villagers and European at that.

They were not like any Muslim's in the Arab World as they were about as dangerous as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

What happened was a TRAVISTY and the worse part is the damn European's let it go on and did nothing UNTIL WE SHAMED AND FORCED THEM TO DO SOMETHING IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD!!!

AboveAlpha

 

After disintegration of the Soviet Union positions of Russia in world politics extremely weakened. As a rule, instead of upholding of own geopolitical interests the Russian diplomats supported a position of the western powers as far as it wouldn't contradict interests of Russia.

The Kosovan armed separatists in the territory of the region which is a part of Yugoslavia since 1996 launched war against Serbians, achieving creation of the independent state for the Albanian population of this territory.

For suppression of terrorist activity parts of Armed forces of Yugoslavia which performed operations on destruction of illegal armed groups were entered into Kosovo.

Since 1998, NATO countries actually supported the Albanian separatists, accusing of escalation of violence exclusively official Belgrade.

The western countries tried to achieve the right for use of force through the UN Security Council, however came across resolute objections of Russia, discordant with assignment of responsibility only on one of the parties of the conflict.

As a result operation was performed under the auspices of forces of NATO. On March 24, 1999, for the first time since World War II, in Europe large-scale armed conflict began. Planes of forces of NATO subjected to massive bombing attacks of a position of the Yugoslavian troops to Kosovo, Belgrade and other cities of the country. The prime minister of the Russian Federation Evgeny Primakov at this moment going on a visit to the USA developed the plane over Atlantic and urgently returned to Russia.

Bombings of Yugoslavia proceeded from March 24 to June 10, 1999, and led to big destructions and mass loss of human life.

Game on an advancing

The authorities of Yugoslavia were compelled to agree with the resolution of the UN Security Council 1244 according to which of Kosovo the Yugoslavian troops were disengaged, and their place was taken by the peacekeeping contingent of NATO.

The position of Russia which was speaking out in defense of territorial integrity of Yugoslavia and interests of the Serbian population of the region wasn't taken into consideration.

In these conditions the political and military management made the decision on carrying out extremely impudent and unexpected operation "on an advancing".

On June 10, 1999 the Russian paratroopers who were a part of the international peacekeeping forces in Bosnia (SFOR) received the confidential order: to create the mechanized column and group as a part of 200 people, the accelerated march to overcome 600 kilometers and to occupy the airfield "Slatina" located at an administrative center of Kosovo of the city of Pristina, having outstripped forces of NATO. The entry of divisions of NATO into Kosovo was planned for June 12, and the airfield "Slatina" had to in the main transport knot of forces of NATO in the region.

Any information leakage about plans of the Russian military threatened operation of a failure. But the plans to Russians managed to be hidden – the western powers already got used to inability of Russia on resolute actions.

The Russian column under command of the lieutenant general Victor Zavarzin began the battle march. On armored cars of the letter SFOR were replaced with KFOR – the official name of peacekeeping forces in Kosovo. On the night of June 12, 1999 the Russian paratroopers entered on the territory of the insurgent country. The Serbian population met the Russian soldiers in the flowers, as saviors and liberators.

To 7 o'clock in the morning on June 12 the column of airborne forces of Russia occupied airfield "Slatina" and organized in it perimeter defense.

"Moonwalk" of the general Jackson

Further plans of Russian government provided transfer in the air way of the airborne forces division from Russia which presence had to provide upholding of political interests of our country, in particular, receiving the, separate peacekeeping sector of responsibility in Kosovo.

This plan, however, didn't manage to be carried out as allied NATO Hungary and Bulgaria refused granting "air passage" to Russia.

200 Russian soldiers appeared in an environment of several thousand military armed cap-á-pie of NATO.

Around 11:00 on June 12 the advanced forces of NATO approached the airfield "Slatina" occupied with paratroopers. Some Air Force helicopters of Great Britain tried to make landing, however stirred them the Russian armored personnel carriers.

The commander of group of forces of NATO on the Balkans British general Michael Jackson who arrived to the Russian post gave the order to tanks of NATO to come on airfield. Thus the general, having turned a back to the Russian paratroopers, I started directing gestures the movement of tanks.

The commander of the Russian post gave the order to the subordinates to aim tanks of grenade launchers and asked the general of NATO to stop the actions. Tanks stopped.

Under the certificate of soldiers of NATO, at this moment the commander of forces of NATO in Europe general Wesley Clark fell into the real rage, demanding to destroy Russians, having occupied airfield.

However the general Jackson who was personally under a sight of the Russian bombers declared to Clark that isn't going to begin the Third World war.

Storm of airfield didn't happen – its systematic siege began. The paratroopers deprived of a reinforcement, however, weren't going to capitulate.

Clark and heroes

While military stood the friend opposite to the friend, politicians conducted negotiations. Alas, weak political positions of Russia in the early nineties didn't allow it to achieve the desirable.

The Russian peacekeeping contingent acquired the right for presence in Kosovo, however, not in separate sector, and in a zone of responsibility of Germany, France and the USA. The airfield "Slatina" remained under control of Russians, but was shared.

The Russian soldiers were in Kosovo till 2003. In view of the fact that Russia didn't receive own sector of control, the Russian peacekeepers didn't manage to prevent exile from Kosovo of the Serbian population of the region. On the basis of it the "conspiracy" version according to which the battle march to Pristina was inspired by the USA which tried to stop in any ways an outcome of Serbians from edge and the subsequent humanitarian disaster was put forward. Authors of this version believe that Russia "deceived" Kosovan Serbians, without having provided them protection.

How treats political results of those events, it is necessary to pay a tribute to courage of the Russian paratroopers, with honor who carried out the most difficult task and didn't tremble in the face of the formidable opponent. In commemoration of military operation the medal "To the participant of a battle march on June 12, 1999 Bosnia-Kosovo" with which awarded participants of a battle march and those who was responsible for its providing was founded.

And the general Wesley Clark demanding to destroy the Russian paratroopers in airfield "Slatina" soon after those events lost the post. In the Pentagon considered that such commander doesn't meet the requirements of the present. In 2004 Clark tried to become U.S. presidential candidate from Democratic party, however suffered defeat, having conceded to John Kerry who, in turn, lost on elections to George Bush Jr. In 2010 the businessman and the teacher Wesley Clark in interview told: "Looking back in the past of 11-year, I completely pro - we then arrived correctly". So the decision of the Pentagon was wise – some don't grow wiser never.http://www.aif.ru/society/law/44187(rus)

 

Never be able to build these Tanks ? Wake up. They are already constructed.

 

I didn't say that.

I said Russia will never be able to build them in any SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.

Look....it's a very good tank....but it would still lose against an Abram's.

Plus....and personally I think it's SAD that we are even talking about a Russian/American Conflict as we should be working together.....plus the way the U.S. Military FIGHTS A WAR....is by using an INTEGRATED SERVICE METHOD in which all branches of the U.S. Military are IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OTHER so that a single target is not targeted multiple times by different U.S. Military Service Branches.

U.S. Air Power would first achieve AIR SUPREMACY.....which it can do easily and that would happen shortly after U.S. Cyber Command and U.S. Electronic Warfare Groups shut down Russian Communications and Command and Control.

I HOPE TO GOD THIS NEVER HAPPENS.....but really the ONLY way that Russia could prevent itself from losing such a war would be to GO NUCLEAR.

Because there is a HUGE DISPARITY between Russian Conventional Military Capabilities and U.S. Conventional Military Capabilities.

And one other HUGE THING.....American Forces are BATTLE HARDENED and have had over a decade of war to allow them to work the BUGS out of Military Weapon Systems and greatly increase capabilities and methods.

Russia's Military is not.

When I watched the Video of Russian Troops riding atop of T-72's headed to the Ukraine Boarder all I could think of was WWII.

Russia built TEN'S OF THOUSANDS of BMP....TROOP CARRIERS but they had a HUGE DESIGN FLAW in their BMP's.....they placed the FUEL TANK ON THE BACK DOOR WHERE RUSSIAN SOLDIERS WOULD LEAVE A BMP ROOP CARRIER!!!

The BMP's are DEATH TRAPS!!!

Now I watched T-72 carrying Russian Soldiers to the front.

If that happened against the American Military way before T-72's ever were to engage Abram's Tanks which can track and target and DESTROY T-72's way beyond any ability for a T-72 to even be able to hit an Abram's Tank with a round WHICH WOULD JUST DEFLECT OR BOUNCE OFF THE ABRAM'S ANYWAYS BECAUSE A T-72 TANK ROUND CANNOT PENETRATE THE ABRAM'S ARMOR........

......what would happen would be this......U.S. Stealth Aircraft both B-2's and F-22's and F-35's would destroy all Russian capability to communicate with their forces.

After Air Supremacy is achieved.....A-10's....F-15E STRIKE EAGLES OR ALSO CALLED MUDHEN'S along with U.S. Army Apache Longbow Choppers would start destroying Russian Tanks.

Russia has very good Fighter Aircraft but nothing that can defeat F-22's, F-35B's and F-15C's with their New Advanced Avionics and Targeting and Fire Control as well as newer advanced Air to Air Missiles are capable of besting Mig-29's, Su-30's and 35's.

What I am describing WOULD BE HORRIBLE!!!

And let's all hope that something like this NEVER HAPPENS!!

AboveAlpha

 

I'm not sure what the OP is anymore,but this thread was interesting.

 

Yeah....CLARK WAS AN IDIOT!!!

But so was the IDIOT RUSSIAN who ordered those 200 KIDS airdropped in a WAR ZONE without first getting NATO AUTHORIZATION as we could have easily assumed that aircrat was hostile and blown it out of the sky and the European's did want to do this but U.S. Geosychronous Satellite Data had tracked the 200 Russian Paratroopers actions their entire trip.

Plus those 200 Russian KIDS were sent into Pistina Airport just to get their first and they were lucky that they were not targeted by NATO AIRCRAFT assuming they were SERBS!!!!

When they got to the Airport they basically HAD NO SUPPLIES.....NOTHING!!!

I and my Team were in that area as our JOB was to obtain WAR CRIMES EVIDENCE....and we found that only too well.

The 200 Russian Kids were placed in a very bad situation where they had entered a WAR ZONE and were blocking the British Forces.

The KIDS were following orders.....THE MOST IDIOTIC ORDERS EVER GIVEN.....and it is by sheer luck THEY DID NOT GET ACCIDENTALLY KILLED and the Russian Convoy came well before those KIDS needed food and water and Medical Help!!!

They were dehydrated and sick with Dysentery which is an inflammation of the intestine causing diarrhea with blood. Other symptoms may include fever, abdominal pain and rectal tenesmus....and you get it from Organisms living in Pond or Still Water as they were drinking from puddles and drainage ditches.

They were so sick they could not fight even if they wanted to.

AboveAlpha

 

Ah....the Russian's went and set up a few Arctic Camps which is silly as they are not ready nor have the Money to start large scale Arctic Ocean Drilling Platforms as areas of the Arctic due to Global Warming will no longer be frozen sea...they will reamin water in liquid form all year.

Thing is this is all for SHOW!!!

The number of Soldiers is very minimal and it took Russia quite some time and a lot of planning to do what the U.S. Military could do within about 12 hours.

AboveAlpha