Wahington state becomes first US state to recognize as holodomor as genocide.

Yah, true, many Americans perhaps never heard of Ukraine, maybe don't care unless those who may have connections there, I'm older than you, so maybe some awareness of what actually happened there.

 

We have heard of Ukraine. We just don't see it as an asset or threat. If the US or anyone else was really interested in humanitarian causes, why haven't we done anything in Africa? Because they are no asset or threat.
Americans are extraordinarily grateful we are on this side of the globe with oceans between us and the other side of the globe.
We will take Mexico and Canada all day long as neighbors.

 

Is the Holodomor - the genocide for Ukrainians?

If it was genocide for Ukrainians , then for what purpose?
If it was genocide for Ukrainians, then why did the Bolsheviks (Moscali) open schools in Ukraine in Ukrainian? - this is the first time in history.
Why Bolsheviks did the Ukrainian language - the state language? - the first time in history.

The correct answer is - the Holodomor was not the genocide for Ukrainians.

 

The Holodomor was done for all citizens of the USSR, and not for the Ukrainians.

Stalin was preparing the country for war with Hitler. Stalin made the industrialization of the USSR. Stalin took away bread, sold to the west and bought factories in the USA ... invited engineers from the United States. In the United States at that time was the Great Depression.




Unemployed Americans went to the USSR to work.
These americans received a salary from Ctalin from the money that was made from the Holodomor.

What you do not understand here? Please ask.

 

?????open schools in ukranian?, where, it was all russian across the board, in govt, diplomatic, schools, etc.

 

Preparing for war with germany? In 31-32, Hitler wasn't even in power then. Sure stalin made industrialization, 5 yr plans?, Muddy roads, coal oil lamps, thatched roof houses? Yes USA sent many grain harvesters to cccp, ( McCormick -deering), mountains of grain sat everywhere while people's starved, communism socialism was wonderful!

 

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This was done in the Republic of Ukraine. Ukrainians got the opportunity to study at the schools in Ukrainian.For the first time in history.

 

Woooohooo...

 

But Hitler was already a very popular and strong politician.

In 1925 Hitler wrote about his main goal in his book, Mein Kampf.






Originally Posted by Adolf Hitler:



“….. Much as all of us today recognize the necessity of a reckoning with France, it would remain ineffectual in the long run if it represented the whole of our aim in foreign policy. It can and will achieve meaning only if it offers the rear cover for an enlargement of our people's living space in Europe. For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude. …”


“…..
And so we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre-War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the east. At long last we break of the colonial and commercial policy of the pre-War period and shift to the soil policy of the future.
If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.”



It's not personal. It's strictly facts.

 

All equipment for the factories was purchased in the USA.
As a result, the USSR was able to produce at these factories a weapon that defeated Hitler.
This was done in 15 years. It's Guinness's record for all time.


In the USSR Armed in 1941:





rocket launcher "Katyusha"






Plane Assault ИЛ–2 (Plane IL-2 )








Fighter Як-1 (Yak-1 fighter )







Bomber ПЕ-2 (Pe-2 bomber )






medium tank Т-34







The photograph - Germans are using a captured Soviet heavy КВ-1 .( KV-1 )






self-propelled artillery СУ – 76 (artillery SU – 76 )





self-propelled artillery СУ-100 (artillery SU-100) …. (It entered service in 1944.)


and so on and so forth…..



>>>>>>>>> It's strictly facts.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization#1923-1931:_Early_years_of_Soviet_Ukraine

You may have missed a part of Ukraine's and USSR's history. It is fine, Poroshenko, Yanukovich, Yushenko and Kuchma were "missing" it too all the time. Especially Yushenko when he proclaimed Holodomor a genocide of ukrainians. ^^

 

Your Katyushkas rocket launchers, were basically Ford Studebaker trucks.

 

Ahahaha ...Political insects are trying to bite Russia. Very funny.

 

It was a genocide, and this "ukranian inaction", was a myth, it was mainly russian back then. You seem to quote wiki often considering you mentioned once that you can't believe everything you read on it.

 

Erm, not exactly, rocket launchers were ROCKET LAUNCHERS. The chassy trucks were different, Studebakers included (since 1943 at least), but basically they could've been mounted on any machine sufficient enough to carry them, starting with soviet ЗИС in 1941.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/БМ-13
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/БМ-13Н

"Katyusha" is nickname of the launcher, not the truck - albeit it's a common misconception, I myself for years thought it was something whole, and not just combination of two things - truck and launcher. On top of that, it's a nickname of more than one system and their modifications, used during the war.

 

You must be wrong, I actually put lot of trust in Wikipedia. Maybe a bit too much, in fact - but I prefer it as a relatively neutral source of information. When lots of opposing opinions affect same source, usually it sets with something in between them.

On top of that, it has references to sources, that can be checked by person interested.

If you consider the ukrainization a myth - be welcome, some people believe the Earth is flat. I find it being pretty logical step in development of Union at the time, and have no doubts in reality of these events.


Also, I insist it was NOT a genocide, and presented my point already, several pages back. Government of Ukraine artificially inflates numbers and uses the event as instrument of their political agenda, with little to no regard to actual historical event.

 

The trucks were Fords, rocket launchers another, which highlights the lend lease the US provided the Muscovites during ww2.

 

Yeah, wiki is everyone's national Enquirer, try CIA factbook, lots use it, including Russians.you may not think is a genocide, sure, everyone inflates #s, except Russians, there's much info out there on it, so no sugarcoating it. Former SU was basically a prison camp, you're to young to remember.

 

First of all - to *Soviets.

Second - so? Everybody knows about lend-lease, so?

 

Who said our media does not inflates statistics? Or government? After all, not many specify that among losses of WWII were migrants, prisoners of war, victims of diseases et cetera, as well as that some degree of these losses actually came homes after war ended.

You keep claiming for me to have arguments that I don't do. I do not say our government does nothing wrong, I say that there, in that particular point, ukrainian government does wrong thing.

And for MOST part I simply point at details missed - or kept "forgotten" - that actually matter in discussion of event.

 

Eh? You want to say that Katuschas were imported from the US? What a nonsense!
The rockets RS-82 and RS-132 for Katuschas were developed in the USSR before the war, so no connection to lend lease. The launching systems (called BM13) were tested also before the Great Patriotic War. They were based on ZIS 6.
Even kids in the US know this:
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/R71.html

 

Yes. The USA gave 300,000 trucks to the USSR. Lend the lys. It was a huge help.

..... but rockets and rocket launchers were made in the USSR.

 

Genocide is for the destruction of the nation.
If Holodomor is the destruction of Ukrainians, then why did Stalin make schools in Ukrainian? The logic is?

If Stalin wanted to destroy the Ukrainians, he would not have started making schools in the Ukrainian language and Office work in Ukrainian.. Is it logical?
Could you please explain this?