Wahington state becomes first US state to recognize as holodomor as genocide.

If you're really interested, Ninian, The Holodomor Reader by Alexander Motyl and and Bohdan Klid is one of the best sources available (there are many others online, as well). The most damning evidence comes from Stalin himself, who made it clear that he wanted to crush Ukrainian nationalism and believed that he could accomplish that by executing the Ukrainian cultural and intellectual elite (clerics, writers, educators, etc.) and pursuing a genocidal policy against the general population where the apparatus of the state actively participated in starving millions of Ukrainians to death.

 

This is an ongoing problem wherein leftists know s little about 'Capitalism' as they do apparently do about genocide.

Capitalism is not about the mafia gaining control or royalty, or Dictators or Theocrats. It is about an equal opportunity for the individual and not the State, and all under a common law that prohibits monopolies and protects individual enterprise The pressure to protect some business over others, or created monopolies, or have malleable friends among the lawmakers is huge, as is the tendency by the uninformed to want greater government control over all enterprises, as though governments are fair arbiters.

Leftists want the government to look after them, seemingly unaware that the governments tend to be the worst babysitters of all.

 

Perhaps you know better than those who called themselves 'Communist', or who supported the Communism that was ruling those countries, but I doubt it.

Not long after the Berlin Wall fell ( I was there btw) I predicted that Leftists would soon be calling Communism 'Right Wing". Do you feel the communism for the 70 years it had world influence was 'right wing' or 'left wing'?

 

It most certainly is, and not only is this well documented it has been acknowledged by Hitler, Mussolini and other fascist and National Socialist ideologues. For example, Hitler stated that "the whole of National Socialism is contained within Marxism" and Mussolini noted that "in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists". Heck, Mussolini was a socialist before his nationalist/interventionist views got him kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party.

Nonsense. It is possible in both theory and practice.

LOL - Man, did this guy ever prove you wrong...



We've already been over how capitalism can and has led to socialism in many instances. Venezuela happens to be the latest and greatest example of this.

 

Theodore Roosevelt just turned over in his grave screaming, "TELL THAT TO THE DICTATORS & THEOCRATS!!!!" We've been over this already, by definition Capitalism is about rising higher by standing on the shoulders of someone being exploited.

 

Oh here we go with the Venezuela deflection again to ignore an entire post of facts. Hitler was anti-Fascist because he was a Socialist, he was also a nationalist (which most Socialist are), yet you want to keep screaming about Socialist globalization, show me the facts that back that up.

 

First of all, your post was severely lacking in facts.

Secondly, the reference to Venezuela was the furthest thing from a deflection - it was a refutation of your completely erroneous claim that Capitalism has no other place to go than fascism.

My, you guys sure are touchy about what's going on in Venezuela, aren't you?

Watch the squirming socialist snake oil salesman avoid this inconvenient subject like it was the Black Plague:

Nice straw man. Nowhere in my post did I even mention "Socialist globalization", much less scream about it.

 

Those countries are, for the most part, single culture which means they share common interests, responsibilities , etc. and that makes a huge difference. Now that we see cultures in Europe splintering into self interest groups, or multiculturalism, we can also watch socialism fail yet again. Politicians love the idea because it allows them to make promises to the electors, whether they can afford programs or not. We can see that happening regularly. The electorate does't like the idea of politicians preaching personal responsibility, which is why 26-year-olds are now considered dependents.

 

Muslims control the media in Muslim dominated countries.Communists in Communists dominated countries.

If you want to compete in the media then start a media business, but the idea that the media should be divided into different religions, sexes, races, or what have you, is as dumb an idea as I've ever heard anywhere.

 

And we should care because....?

 

You are officially a waste of time. If you're not even willing to address a post you're replying to then why should I expect you to own up to past statements you made days ago?

 

Seriously? At this point your credibility just went out the window. As if there aren't nations standing right now for no other reason than America's strength. Every strong nation on earth, none more so than America, has been held back because the elite of the world fancy each other more than their own people.

The nerve of globalists is the most appalling thing. None of the 100 forms of treason compare to the ability to ride a lie with a straight face while you do it.

"Leftism existed before socialism". The globalists have ruined your brain. You really think you can say anything and the world has to have a discussion based upon tripe you made up on the fly - with zero basis in reality. Literally, this comment is as ludicrous as saying fish fly.

I hope for your sake you are a chick and not one of these boys trained to think like one.
They have a vagina. They get to say retarded **** and have everyone pretend it's a contribution.

 

American is NOT a Jewish country. Muslims should be the majority in a Muslim dominated country. Jews are only 2% of America but have majority control of our media, banks, and culture.

 

Would you really want a Muslims controlled media? Or an atheist controlled? You seem to want control over the media which is the undoing of any free society and culture.

Your concern with Jews is nonsense, and no Jew is censoring your words here..Do you belong to a group which shares your concern about Jews?

 

Ha, you're right. I have no idea what he's talking about.

 

you seem to enjoy your serfdom, no point in unchaining you.

 

Plain ignorance leaking out of every single crack on your post and there are damn too many of'em.

If Richard Dawkins had called himself a die hard Catholic today, would it have changed the fact he is atheist? And that has unfortunately nothing to do with the fact that Soviets were NOT applying the Marxist theory. So the only one thing in this entire discussion that you should doubt about is "whether it does matter whom is called as what while the outcome is certain"?

I don't care if Stalin called himself a communist. He was not and that is a fckin fact. Lastly,

You should learn that communism is not something that rules "some" countries and excludes the others. A system is called communist only if entire existing countries on the planet earth, without no exception, are already involved both theocratically and practically into the communist order. Nothing like that has happened in the history. Communism has NEVER been tried, nor has it been applied. Read Marx. Paris is another story.

 

I'm really sick to read you little ****, I didn't insult you first, but I will not waste my time to read a petty idiot. You call me a globalist, I'm not. It's not because your jellyfish brain use insults you're right.

Some countries like India, France, Israel found the way to don't be bothered with news invasion since the nazis or the jap : nuclear power. Nukes is the only way toward true indenpendance and if I don't have any sympathy toward Teheran regime, I think they were right to try to have nuclear weapons, it was the only way to prevent a 2003 war number 2.

Left was originally based on the ideas of the age enlightenment, then during the industrial revolution, some people were sick of their horrible conditions of life and it gave birth to the leftism we knew until 1950. The lefistim we know today is an aberration born in the 50's who succeeded to be more delusionnal than religon, which wasn't an easy challenge.

Not all countries are south korea.

 

All the easier then for a smart guy like yourself to dispute them.

You be sure to point it out when it happens, but in the meanwhile we are talking Communism, and it's disastrous effects on humanity.

I'm really not surrised to hear that Communist regimes never got it quite right because that excuse was going on even before the walls began trembling.

When Communists began calling you to determine whether they're real or not perhaps you can forward that information to this forum.

I've heard this excuse before that Communism has to be international before it can ever be successful. Well you'll have to admit that the Communists gave it a good go, killing tens of millions of people in the process, but were still over 6 billion short of their hoped for agenda.

And despite the 70 years of this left wing crap, and excuses for failure, no one has ever come up with a satisfactory explanation of why Communism is a good thing even if ever successful. That it is a bad thing, or an unsatisfactory thing, seems quite clear.

 

Lol, stalin wasn't a commie, no, he just like killing everyone who didn't agree with his philosophy, and that was many including his own intelligentsia, the younger generation was the easiest to brainwash and raise to be good" commies",.

 

That's quite but all these dictators had to do was claim they were Communist, or Socialist, and they would immediately get the sympathy of the leftists in the Democracies and, of course, their media.

Had Castro, Chavez, or any number of others said they were Fascist or Nazi, without ever changing their policies, they would have been denounced, but just calling themselves Socialists was enough for a lifetime sinecure as a murdering despot with a license to kill anyone who disagreed..leftists argued, for example, that the Berlin Wall was built for people trying to get into the workers paradise.

Latin American dictators especially would wear a baseball cap for their enforced photo ops and the leftists in the free world would sop it up like bread and gravy.

 

Tons of monsters calling themselves socialists, in charge of centrally planned economies, "but aren't because they weren't REAL socialists".
While anyone who holds a door open for someone they say, "that's socialism!"

Seriously. A cult for retarded children.

 

I agree to all except the last word. That should be replaced by "slaves"!

 

Id love to respond this post IF I could have understood it at all. Grammar no good.

 

I am a 40 year old American and have never heard this word. In my life Americans haven't been very interested or concerned with Ukraine. We are typically only concerned about countries that are either a threat or competition.
Africa is packed with genocide and crimes against humanity. Nobody seems concerned too much.