Warning, democracy in peril, scholars join national call for federal action to protect elections

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  1. mitchscove

    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Fascism is a left wing ideology adopted by Mussolini when he determined that Socialism was too egalitarian. That the Fascist apple doesn't fall far from the Socialist tree is a known fact. Progressive cancel culture is a Fascist attack on free thought. Obama and Clapper spying on millions of Americans was a Fascist tactic.

    Zuckerberg spending $418M Zuckerbucks to pay Zuckerthugs to violate State (thus Federal) election law by preventing opposing parties from overseeing the count in Democrat counties was a Fascist tactic. Learning from the the Fascist attack on our Democracy to craft laws that ensure free and fair elections is what a free people do when attacked by Fascists.

    An institution with a history of putting Hitler on the map has no business projecting their own Fascist legacy on freedom loving Americans

    https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/15/the-harvard-nazi/
     
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    I was raised at the head of the creek and I disagree whole heartedly. It takes experience to know what to pick and what to leave for later. Digging a post hole or a ditch is an art. Yes it all can be learned but if you wave your magic wand whose going to teach?

    Darwin. :roll: I don't even know what to say to that. :disbelief:
     
  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The American system, by virtue of it's tremendous decentralization, is the most secure election system in the world. Really, tampering with it internally to a level where cheating could actually be done is almost impossible, when you consider the gargantuan nature of the task.

    The logistical nightmare required for one party to tamper with the national internal voting apparatus, by it's extremely decentralized design, requiring hiring of operatives and installed in place in at least a dozen key states, months in advance, keeping everyone under the radar, is a well nigh impossible task, which precludes any possibility of a party rigging the election internally.

    It can be done, externally, via gerrymandering, voter purges, limiting ballot access in urban areas and colleges, and republicans are notorious for doing that.

    IN short, the only people cheating, though they do it legally, are republicans
    But Trump is the source of that perception, which is 100% false.
    You don't cure the disease by feeding the source.
    That's only to about 35% of the population.

    And, It's a lie, pure and simple.
    Our elections already are legit.

    Yes, and I distinctly recall many saying similar things about Trump. I even recall an interview with Trump, early in his campaign, where he was asked about what he thought his chances were of winning, and his reply was '20%'. And that's a fact. Even he didn't think he was going to win.

    And then he did.

    No, this is a Trump issue, and he must be stopped, by any legal and justifiable means.
     
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  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is a gargantuan distinction. The reason isn't important because reality is reality, and reality is no white kid is going to pick cabbage. Ain't gonna happen.

    Not now, not tomorrow, not ever.

    That is why we need more immigrants, not less.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump sought to ban ALL muslims from entering the US



    Trump saying he is ready to close the border



    Sure, he was talked about of both moves, but it shows you where Trump is at.
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You are beating a dead horse on this argument. I've been on this board for I think over a year now and hardly a month passes where some right winger exclaims that fascism is a left thing. Like hell.

    Yes, Nazi germany,

    Hitler was no socialist, he was a propagandist/nationalist, and highjacked the worker's party because the title had a nice ring to it. But he was no socialist and fascism is a far right ideology, nothing to do with the left, for the most part. But, some could confuse it with fascism given the far left is totalitarian, but totalitarianism is not fascism.

    In fact, all fascist regimes are capitalist plutocracies with a titular military style leader.

    You are just wrong.

    Fascism
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    Benito Mussolini (left) and Adolf Hitler (right), the leaders of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany respectively, were both fascists.
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    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]
     
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  9. mitchscove

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    So, you're trying to sell the distortion that its small government conservatives that are fascists and not large, intrusive government socialists like Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Obama, and Biden?


    Just like Obama & Clapper spying on millions of Americans without a warrant and exiling a whistle blower who exposed the fact that Clapper lied under oath to Congress.

    Just like Obama and Lois Lerner who sought to deny Conservatives free speech.

    Just like Biden and Merrick Garland who threatened to unleash the full weight of Federal law enforcement against parents who complain at school board meetings.

    Just like Biden who proposed to confiscate unrealized capital gains, aka, private property.

    Just like Fascist Democrats imploring Social Media to silence their opponents.

    Just like so called Progressives and their cancel culture.

    Just like Maxine Waters imploring her followers to attack her opponents.

    Just like Bernie Sanders inciting an assassination attempt on June 14, 2017 against those who stood in the way of his big intrusive government dreams.

    The party of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow, and Segregation is America's Fascist Party. Own it. Embrace it.
     
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    You didn't have to. Illegal immigration is the issue. Nobody is against legal immigration.

    There you go leaving out the illegal adjective again.

    It wasn't rhetorical

    What I called ridiculous were your words. I didn't say a thing about the truth.

    Then your parents were likely members of the "greatest generation."

    I'll bet you can. Your view of the world fits in perfectly with that of "scholars." I tend to rely on experience and common sense. Not very scholarly of me, I know.

    A cursory search and I found these, I'm sure a more thorough search would produce much more.

    It wasn't the virus. It was the business shutdowns perpetrated by governors and mayors from both sides of the aisle. That was seriously piss poor handling of the virus. All harm, no good.

    I agree. I should stop using terms I read all over this forum.

    Trump learned from Obama. Obama taught him how to go around congress and rule by executive order. I don't like it from anybody. It is truly authoritarian to sign an executive order that is aimed at the public rather than the governrment itself. If government wants to mold public behavior then legislation is the prescribed method. If you can't get the legislation then it is something that shouldn't happen. Common sense.

    You would say the same about any liberal. You don't even understand your own bias. Honorable people in elected office are endangered species regardless of affiliation. I wish that weren't true but it is what voters want.
     
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    A logistical nightmare that could only be accomplished with $419M in Zuckerbucks paying Zuckerthugs to violate election laws in Democrat run counties in a handful of swing states.

    The nature of the beast is that large counties one in each of a few swing states vote heavily for Democrats. The rest of those states vote Republican. The balance determines the winner. Ohio is one. Cuyahoga County votes heavily Democratic. Beef up Cleveland and Democrats can win the state. Pennsylvania is another. Philadelphia county votes heavily Democrat. Beef up Philadelphia and Democrats often win the state. I don't credit my nuclear engineering background to be able to distill a simple pattern into a strategy.

    $419M Zuckerbucks was more than enough to implement a strategy complete with Zuckerthug enforcers as insurance.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Say what?
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    You have put your signature Democrat bias on display.

    You should seek a professional to take a look at that.
     
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    Well I disagree with him on all Muslims, but I do agree on holding the numbers down. Muslims don't believe in our form of government. They feel their lives should be ruled by Islamic law. Their goal is to spread Islamic law around the world. Close the border? No,control the border, defiantly. Not what Biden wants to do.
     
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  14. Robert

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    He flat out lied about Trump wanting all Muslims banned. Trump using intelligence by our own intelligence services picked carefully only those who were a lot more likely to send assassins here than most of the rest of the Muslim countries. Trump did not come close to banning all Muslims.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bigotry supports forcing Illegals to do farm work.
    But American women also do farm work.

    White women in fact.

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats confuse one country, Italy with a different Country, France.
    France came up with the claim of left wing or right wing.
    Fascism has a meaning. Bundle of Sticks. Bundle of sticks means for the people.
    That is why the Italians liked Mussolini so much. They took him as being for the people.
    France used Left as for the people too. Democrats never call France a fascist country.

    Hitler as a Dictator used fear to control Germany. And though he used fear, he also put programs into action that yanked Germany out of a severe depression. America never has had a Depression remotely close to the one Germany had. And Inflation was terrible.
    FDR spotted how well it worked over a short span of time and decided on using Hitler's scheme of building infrastructure all over Germany to employ workers. And of course as Dictator he armed Germany. Germans saw it as protecting Germany.
     
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    That is correct Mitchscove. Democrats can spin a web to make spiders proud.
     

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