Was bathing on the rooftop under the King's window commonplace in King David's time?

@Margot2 for fairness sake.

I do!
She is anti Israeli to the core.
It would not matter if it was
Nazi Anti Israeli or Islamic Anti Israeli to @Margot2

The ole, The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend argument.


Moi

They Seek A Land Corridor
to NYC! ​

 

What on earth are you talking about. I just don't like Bibi and the Likkud.. In fact, I like Jews … I find most of them are pretty smart and deliberate... and a lot of fun I might add.

 

Thank you, trevor.. There are a lot of characters who earn their keep promoting hate, fear and ignorance.

 

For one, Saul made a massive effort to shift the blame for his sin. Including onto the Israelites which he was supposed to be responsible for and to lead.

David on the other hand openly admitted that he had sinner with Bathsheba when he became aware of the evil he had done. He didn't shift blame and in fact urged that the punishment of God fall upon him personally.

In essence, David's sins with Bathsheba were examples of personal weakness while Saul's sins were examples of unfitness to continue as the King of Israel.

 

I cannot remember @Margot2 acknowledging one positive thing about Israel.
Let us not confuse Bibi, the Likud, Jews, and the nation of Israel.


How about an island of reduced global warming via forest investments?
Or farming land that was not farmed before.
Or safer for a Muslim to stand on his soapbox and preach anti Israeli gov't attitudes
than any Muslim nation.
Or serving for high specialty medical needs of Palestinian children. . . .

I don't know.
Take your pick or find just "one"
positive thing about the nation of Israel.



BTW I think what happened to SodaStream is an
example of Pro Palestinian attitudes gone wrong.
You?


See ya, @Margot2
Do you like the "You Don't Mess With The Zohan" movie,
and the end? and puppies.

 

Or one of the only nations in the Middle East where Muslims are actually allowed to vote.

 

I have heard that opinion of Saul before.
But pleading with Samuel how he might and ripping Samuel's cloak . . . .
I find "favoritism".
David with that tainted blood of a Moab
a classic for the hero whose blood line is not like, "normal".
Ruth. Never Forget!

David got forgiveness and his line continued!
Saul and his line . . . .

I do not buy Saul was insincere. etc.
Just the Lord choosing another.
Beware: Being the Lord's Chosen.

Moi

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I think it had to do with David being "a man after God's own heart". That is that God who was able to see what each person truly is at their core saw a man in David that was far more pleasing and acceptable to him than Saul.

I got the impression that Saul was very much a king in the mode of other kings of that time and region. A might man of war who had the heart of a prideful warrior and not the heart of a servant.

 

And what of Ruth in David's bloodline.
I mean why bother to include that book?

 

Ruth was a Gentile. A Moabite. But became an ancestor of David after marrying Boaz. Actually Ruth married twice to Jews as her first husband was a Jew as well.

The book and the lesson of it was to show that even though the Jews were God's chosen people, God had no objections (and in fact encouraged) Gentiles to join with them and become just as much God's chosen as the Jews were. Same lesson from Rahab the harlot (resident of Jericho) being an ancestress of David (and thus Christ) as well.

 

Israel brags while they have taken land from innocent people who have lived there for thousands of years and ruined the water table and the aquifers and done it all on the longest running foreign aid freeload in history.

Its NOT something to be proud of.

BTW during the second intifada brought to you by Ariel Sharon the butcher there were 1400 Palestinian children in Saudi hospitals, amputees who were being rehabbed and fitted with prostheses.

Own it.

 

What makes you claim the Palestinians were "innocent"?

And I'm pretty sure most Palestinians have not lived there for "thousands of years". More Palestinians used to live in neighboring Muslim nations like Jordan before they tried to their hand at overthrowing the Jordanian King Hussein and were forced to leave.

 

Saul got the short end of the stick because he showed a smidgen of sympathy and didn't kill everything as he had been ordered to do.

 

It was a violation of the First Commandment for an Israelite/Hebrew/Jew to marry a Gentile = Exodus 34:11-16.

 

A king of the house of David is mentioned by the Tel Dan Inscription, so there's a chance a king David really existed.
https://www.ancient.eu/image/3680/tel-dan-inscription/

I don't understand why wouldn't the Jews of Babylon have the same ancient history as the rest of the Jews. I also don't understand why you think the Jews of Babylon invented the story of David.

I agree about Margot. I don't like her views on some subjects, but I respect her.

 

Nope.. the Palestinians are descended from Jewish farmers who didn't leave and intermarried with Turks, Crusaders, Romans etc. Its always been a Zionist lie that it was a land without people. Shameful stuff.

 

How long have you 'known' Margot? How many sites have you been on where she has commented. Over the years we have been commenting Margot has often spoken of her Jewish friends.

 

Arabs have lived in Palestine for 2000 years before Islam.

You ever been to Jordan? Their population and Lebanon's were turned upside down by refugees forced out of Palestine.

 

LOLOL.. My cardgames, art studio and book club are a Jewish majority.. I live in Buckhead after all.

 

Um, people, we have gone way off topic. And I've learned a lot about the topic, I thank you all.

I conclude that Bathsheba may not have intentionally flashed David. Or maybe it was intentional. But she would have known she could get pregnant and could have warned David that his conduct would result in pregnancy and civil war. She appears to have wanted this. Biblically, she is held to be completely innocent in this but I look at the "story/history depending upon your view" through an MRA lens. She appears to have traded up: a military officer for a King and did go on to become the mother of the next King.

I'll try to end the thread or ask moderators to do so.

 

HIS story... became history

 

No-one denies that a 'king' David may have existed. Just not the exaggerated stories written in the Bible. The Jews of Babylon are some of the Jews of Palestine - in temporary exile.around 600 BCE. After 70 years of exile they were allowed to return to Palestine. However many were quite happy with their life in Babylon - and stayed there.
The Jews had no history prior to around 900 BCE. They needed an origin and a history. The Babylonians etc could boast of one dating back a 1000 years and more. So the Jews wrote themselves one using old creation stories and later myths to include themselves with a mythical Noah and a flood from Sumerian legend. They created a family history to include 'Noah' and the flood myth. Abraham, Moses, the Exodus are part of the historic novel which is attached to the real proveable history in the era of the Kings.
Over the centuries these stories became part of their 'history'. The Jewish preacher, Jesus, was taught that the Tanakh was true and like all Jews, he believed it. Not to do so then was heretical. Not today.

 

You say:

Wrong - but even the prestigious Britannica makes the same mistake. The Jews were not of Palestine, they were of the Kingdom of Judah.

You say:

The way you put it, Jews sprung forth from the soil of their homeland almost 3 millennia ago, coming from nowhere, and invented themselves some mythical history because everybody else had one. Only Jews did this, or are there other nations coming from nowhere and purposefully stealing other people's myths?

In fact, various tribes united to form the Jewish nation. Each tribe brought its own traditions, religion, deities, heroes, ancestors, customs, and the tribes' myths slowly merged into Judaism. Syncretism explains the birth of the Jewish culture - including religion and mythical history - much better than the "nation without history" hypothesis.

You say:

Why do you think you know what all Jews believed at the time of Jesus?

Why do you think you know what Jews were taught at the time of Jesus?

 

Palestine was a province of Syria by 500 BC.. Jerusalem in the time of King David was about 10 acres and a thousand people.

Jesus was a Jew .. If he was a rabbi he would not have been reinventing Judaism.

Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City ...
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-sites-places/jerusalem/ancient...
Jan 11, 2019 · Overall, however, the area comprises only about 11–12 acres. Geva estimates the population of the city during this period at between 500 and 700 “at most.” (Previously other prominent scholars had estimated Jerusalem’s population in this period as 880–1,100, 1,000, 2,500, 3,000; still this is hardly what we would consider a metropolis.)

 

What on earth are you talking about? The Jews in Babylon were the Jews from Palestine. Yes, they were from the Tribe of Judah if you accept what the Bible says.. Judah was the southern part of Palestine.

The 'Jews' were a tribe called Israel already in Palestine. They were never in Egypt. They, and other tribes, occupied Palestine. The Egyptians controlled these tribes and Palestine. The tribes rebelled, possibly with mercenary help from the Hittites, and threw the Egyptians out. Historical fact. I've not studied other nations, just Judaism and the Jews. You've read the Armana letters?

It's quite probable that the tribes, after the rebellion, did come together. Under a leader called David? They certainly adopted many religious beliefs of other nations and tribes, including Ugarit, Egypt and Babylonia.

The Jews were taught from the age of 5 to read, write and learn the Torah. From the age of 9 they went on to the rest of the Tanakh. At 13 most had been 'indoctrinated'. Jesus was a Jew. IMO he was a man with a mission to return the people back to Jahweh. An old time evangelist. His teaching was Jewish, he lived a Jewish life, he used the OT regularly because his disciples understood what he was saying, and gentiles wouldn't. When asked by his disciples why he spoke in parables he said it was because they, Jews, would understand them. He turned OT Jewish beliefs into parables. The Shepherd, The vineyard and others are all related to Israels relationship with Yahweh. His temptation and Baptism are all in Judaism. Christianity has simply adapted them. There are things that Christianity had put in his mouth that a Jew would never say. He would risk being ostracised from the community. You only have to look at people like 'Zacchaeus' to see how the people clung to their religious beliefs. So much so that they were granted certain exemptions from some Roman Laws..