Was Trump our worst president?

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  1. mswan

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    No, Trump is not the worst President we’ve had.
     
  2. US Conservative

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    Triggered.
     
  3. yardmeat

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    I'm sorry to hear that you are triggered by people having legitimate complaints about your God Emperor. But not surprised.
     
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    My comment stands.
     
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    And remains just as vacuous and as antagonistic toward the Constitution.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Moving to sad deflections so quickly.
    Thats a fast white flag even for you
    :truce:
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Leave it to a child with a picture of his cult leader as an avatar to think spaghetti is a valid rebuttal
     
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    I would rank the worst Presidents in this order:

    1. Woodrow Wilson
    2. Franklin Roosevelt
    3. Lyndon Johnson
    4. Barack Obama​

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  9. hellofromwarsaw

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    Yes I do Rupert Murdock or internet crazies or the poor GOP politicians who have to parrot that bologna.
     
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    We have to do like other modern countries and have cheap college and training to take advantage of these new markets. Instead of the GOP giveaway to our rich...
     
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    He is old and has a stutter lol.
     
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    Fortunately Trump was not in office long enough to be the worst of all time. Nixon and especially Bush Junior caused much more damage than Trump. However, that said, Trump was definitely the biggest horses ass and buffoon in US Political history.
     
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    Biden has only been in office for 9 months. He inherited a real bag of sh*t from Trump and the pack of unqualified buffoons who staffed his administration at the end. He received absolutely no cooperation from Trump and his administration during the transition period. Calling him a failure is like telling a baseball team they have lost in the 3rd inning. There is a long way to go in this ballgame. We all know that you and the rest of Trump America don’t really give a crap about America and are hoping to your god that Biden and his team fail at every turn regardless of the effect that will have on the American people. Bunch of sore LOSERS are ye. I myself as a real American hope that Biden and his team succeed in passing his agenda which will help working people and the poor join in the success of our nation. The whole GOP and a few Democrats are working hard to see to it that whatever he does fails. It’s still early enough for Biden’s team to turn things around and get us back on the right track.

    Cheers
     
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    Trump lied a lot, but he was anything but a failure. You don't have the hottest economy on the planet being a failure. If you really want to discuss who a big failure is, It's Obama and I'll match you Trumps four years against Obama's eight, any day of the week and the Left thinks Obama was one of the top ten best Presidents of all time.
     
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    I'd be glad to show you facts. Most everything I post is with web sites where I got it. I know Trump lies, but he hasn't anything on the bias news that comes out. They are so full of half truths it makes your head swim.
     
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    Can you show a few graphs showing trumps “hottest economy” not following trend lines from the Obama administration? That the fed ramped up policy meant to head off a recession to future boost his failed policy is even more condemning.

    What metric exactly do you believe trump vastly improved from prior numbers?

    Let’s start with unemployment:
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    Move to GDP:
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    Feel free to pick a few national metrics that you feel are more important than the two above. When you add in the amounts spent to have these numbers and the damage the trump administration did to our position in the world as well as public support of our institutions I would argue trump is a significantly worse president than Obama was on his worse day — and I didn’t even like Obama.
     
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    Lets start out with Obama's economy. I won't use charts, they only tell part of the story. Here is Obama's economy.

    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
    www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
    Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-
     
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    Welfare At All-Time High Under Obama

    The latest government figures reveal that an astonishing number of people are collecting public benefits such as food stamps and disability checks, revealing an alarming trend of dependence on government rather than self-sufficiency associated with the American dream.

    A record 5.4 million workers have applied for federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to a news report that cites recent government figures. This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans, the report says.

    Since the recession supposedly ended in mid 2009, the number of people who have applied for disability benefits is double the job growth figure, according the report which includes an informative chart. In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 applied for the federal benefit. That means nearly 11 million people are on disability, according to the Social Security Administration.

    Also this week, government figures reveal that a record number are getting food stamps and the figure will keep rising. This is not surprising since the Obama Administration has promoted the program like there’s no tomorrow in an effort to eradicate “food insecure households.” In fact, the administration has spent millions of dollars to recruit even more food-stamp recipients and has doled out hefty cash rewards to states that sign up the most people. One state even bragged about a $5 million performance bonus it got from the feds for its “swift processing of applications.”https://www.judicialwatch.org/.../welfare-at-all-time.../
     
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    Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../obamas-rhetoric-on......

    Jan 07, 2014 · A record 47 million Americans receive food stamps, about 13 million more than when he took office.
     
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    Waiting for Marine one to push so m e sht in.
     
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    There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before
    https://www.cnbc.com/.../there-are-more-jobs-than-people...

    Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com › 2018/01/31 › pay-gains-under-trump...

    Jan 31, 2018 - Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

    Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar ...
    www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue...
    Aug 14, 2019 • Blue-collar path to solid paycheck. And as blue-collar workers have seen their wallets thicken, highly educated white-collar workers’ wages have grown more modestly.

    • Pay
    gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
    Jan 31, 2018 • President Donald Trump's first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama's eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.
     
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    https://www.atr.org/thanks-trump-median-household-income-highest-level-ever

    Real median household income has grown by $4,144 or 6.8 percent since President Trump took office, according to an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal.
    This data is based on a report released by Sentier Research analyzing the Census Bureau’s monthly Current Population Survey.
    As noted in the op-ed, authored by Stephen Moore, real median household income is at an all-time high:
    “Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000.”
    The below chart highlights the strong Trump wage growth.


    Economy & Politics: Income Gap Grows under Trump, Obama — but ...
    www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/income-gap-growth...
    Indeed, in a bit more than half of his term, Trump’s $5,003 mountain of growth in median household income is 346 percent higher than Bush-Obama’s $1,444 molehill of marginal middle-class earnings. https://www.nationalreview.com/.../income-gap-growth.../
     
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    WHO came out on Jan.29th on how bad the virus was. How bad was Trump's economy up to there?

    January jobs report: Employers added 304,000 jobs, wages ...
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/job-growth-in-january...
    Businesses created 304,000 jobs in January, the Labor Department said on Friday. That number blew away expectations of many economists, who had predicted that about 165,000 jobs would be added.
     
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    Black and Hispanic unemployment is at a record low
    www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/black-and-hispanic...
    Oct 04, 2019 · The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September, while African Americans maintained its lowest rate ever, 5.5%. The Hispanic women unemployment rate was 3.8% in September and ...
     
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