What Do Liberals Want

If what you say is what liberals want, you should be in good stead because all political parties in the US are liberals and I could not wish them worse.Any group not put on the national news on a daily basis for the purpose of lying about their intentions,slanting facts against them,.............................etc...............ARE LIBERALS!

 

Please. Just stop. Your bigotry is offensive, derailing the thread, and makes the rest of us lefties look bad.

On an aside note, I think JFK was pretty over-rated and that both he and TR were disgustingly imperialist. A lot of Democrats like them I suppose, along with FDR, Johnson, and Clinton. The folks I want in office almost never win Presidential elections - whether in the primaries or general election!

If you want to argue authoritarian leftist ideas are evil, or Archie's ideas are evil, go ahead. Don't lump me in!

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For whatever it's worth, I try to be understanding, address if not cede outright to criticisms of my ideas, and march to the beat of my own drum despite encountering some degree of opposition from everyone I know.

I'd prefer to rephrase that as "innovative, independently-minded, skeptical, creative, generally warm toward those with customs other than their own, freed from traditions' shackles, and open to new ideas and experiences."

 

it is the Right that claims to believe in Capitalism and free markets but resorts to the coercive use of force of the State and central planning on wars on the abstractions of crime, drugs, poverty, and terror to do it.

 

Don't give progressives and socialist my label then. Liberalism is my beliefs and philosophy. Call them what they are socialists and progressives please.

Classical Liberal.

 

No. Liberals, true liberals want a Liberalism policy. Conservative by its name means to conserve the existing or status quo. Conservatives of the 21st century advocate militarism and large government programs that attack your freedoms like with the patriot act. George W. Bush is an excellent example of a Big Government, Militaristic Conservative.

Their is almost nothing about him that a Liberal supports in his positions (and the current Republican positions) concerning how to handle deficits, banking system, and financal markets for a start. Plus now I learn that Republicans are going to cave and agree to raise taxes again. There is NOTHING about that a Liberal believing in Liberalism would support.

While the President parties at 1600 and little children are barred from visiting the White House to learn about government. There is something wrong with that! Of course Barrak Obama is an admitted socialist so I am not surprised.

 

Whoa....stop.....hold on there! Theodore Roosevelt is NO liberal. He is one of the chief architects of Progressivism. There is nothing Liberal about him....he is a big government progressive just like Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton.

As to JFK, I would say yes JFK is probably more of a Liberal than a left wing progressive or socialist. Just like Ronald Reagan is definitely more of a Liberal than a conservative or right wing military complex guy. However, JFK was only there a short time and most if not all of his policies were overturned by LBJ after his assassination 1/2 way though his first term.

Classical Liberal

 

If you think Theodore Roosevelt was a gem then you are a Progressive and you are NOT a Liberal.

 

My apologies for not fitting into the tight little boxes you need to put folks into, so it all fits so nicely within the limited context of that which you can grasp.

However, it's simply a fact that I am a Liberal Democrat. I most closely align with Bernie Sanders, the VT senator. Google the senator, and the label, "Liberal," might come up a time or two. Just guessing.

Meanwhile, I think TR was a remarkable person who overcame, at great personal effort, physical/mental limitations as a child, and was a true credit to the great man that was, Theodore (father of, Teedy, as his family called TR). And he saved millions of acres of some of our most spectacular natural resources, which were being exploited by capitalists wanting to strip it all away. Indeed, a true gem, and sadly, the last of the Lincoln Republicans.

I also have great respect for Ronald Reagan, who while terribly wrong on matters of political economic, was a true lover of this country and its people -- all of them. And he restored our belief in ourselves, when it was needed most. And I could go into some detail on others, Dem and Rep alike, because you see, ClassLib, when you know great men and women of history, even if you disagree with much of their policies, you can still admire their greatness.

But it comes at a cost: you have to do this thing we call, "reading."

 

I know of one liberal that believes supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost.

 

The Democratic party may be a creature of the unions but the inverse ( your statement ) is clearly not true.

As for the Conservatives having no influence on school boards look at the ongoing efforts to teach Creationism in some of our more backward school systems.

 

Dear BlueSpade,

Some quick answers to your questions on what liberals want.

1) Want to reduce healthcare cost how about a single payer stem to eliminate administrative costs. How about tort reform to eliminate defensive testing. How about a lifetime cap on Medicare benefits to stimulate more responsibility for one's own health and the reduce the overwhelming costs associated with the last year of life. How about allowing doctor assisted suicide with the necessary precautions.

2) As I said in another post equality of education could start with funding elementary education from Property taxes on a state wide rather than local basis.

3) As for estate tax inequalities elimination of the stepped up basis for valuing capital gains in estates is a very easy fix and does not cause double taxation , grave robbing etc.

4) A really "fair" tax system would be the Wealth Tax not the flat tax.

I could go on but these should be enough issues to stimulate some degree of informed discussion.

 

I believe health care costs can be reduced by solving simple poverty and letting those discretionary dollars chase the best health care available at any given time and price. There should be nothing preventing a more well informed "electorate" from conforming to rational choice theory and letting those markets reach new equilibriums.

 

Off topic, Dan. This is not a "what's a smart idea" thread. Someone was kind enough to create a venue for we Libbies to have a pre candle-blowing-out moment.

So, and if it's just a list of Libbie-wants, here's just a few that come to mind ...

1. Let Michael Vick have all the dog-fights he wishes, but require that he only use Conservatives in lieu of bait-dogs; way more humane.

2. Chemically-castrate all Conservatives, on the off-chance it might spawn another of their retarded species; actually, no need. Sorry. Seems this is redundant. Vick's doggies can do the heavy lifting on that.

3. But in case some slip through our fingers (Vick's dog's jaws), let's once and for all make contraception available to Conservatives. Please condom-makers: can we finally serve this market need among Conservatives, and start making rubbers in XXXSml???

 

You seem to have a malignant narcissistic obsession with other people's reproductive capabilities...

I suggest a good Psychologist, some strong medication, and perhaps some time spent at an ... Institution?

Please tell me, and we all hope to the Gods, you don't own any firearms?

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Yes! Emphasis on the feminine variety. Come to papa, Baby!!

 

I am not trying to be narcissistic, but I think my idea is more sound.

 

If you ignore "people like that" they will eventually go away. Childish attention seeking is a problem on a lot of forums.

 

Creationism is taught in very few school districts. I'm sorry but leftists have their fingerprints all over the failure of American public schools. The left owns this failure and must now be held accountable for what has happened.