What has the Democrat Party done for America?

Happy to hear your thoughts on it. I would throw in the civil rights era too. The 82 airborne escorting black kids to school

 

I think me you and Vegas should team up. I'll make a thread about whether or not we should abolish the electorial college and we can go lay some smackdown?

Sound cool?

 

Reagan talked a good small government game, but in actuality he did a great deal to increase the size and scope of the federal government.

Eisenhower for sure, but even he presided over one of the largest federal infrastructure projects in American history, the highways.

Trump, who knows? He says so very little that actually makes any sense or is grounded in any sort of economic understanding that it might as well be a chimpanzee throwing darts at a decision board.

Conservatives are anything but fiscally conservative, especially these days.

 

Regan exploded the size of government

 

You will notice the absence of police attack dogs, water cannons and riot police smashing heads

 

The threat to our institutions is greater now IMO.

 

I just don't see it personally

 

hahahahahhhahahha laughable.....

 

Yes we have been divided in the past and survived.

Does that mean that this time we will?

Not necessarily. I would prefer we didn't take that chance

 

Look at Congress. Look at what Trump has done to the 4th estate. Look at how political the Supreme Court is becoming. Etc., etc.

 

Yes its not good by any means.

 

Are you trying to tell me the southern states controlled Republican party would have room for Lincoln? Now that is funny.

 

He was a proponent of expanded civil rights and was opposed to conservative politics of the day, particularly abolition. The only aspect of his platform that's remotely conservative would be his desire to have a strong union... Which even then runs counter to the conservative mantra of then and now for stronger state rights.

You seem to be under the illusion that Republican has always meant conservative and Democrat has always been liberal or progressive and that's simply not true.

 

If the Democrats, by 2020, retake the white house, and get a majority in the house and senate, then, in my view, the constitutional republic as I know it and the framers designed it will be effectively gone by 2028. States rights -- the fundamental foundation of a republic -- will be a relic of history, the electoral college will be gone, the 2nd amendment will be gone, the 1st amendment will be drastically changed to cement Democrat power, the supreme court will be packed with Democrat sycophants, and the separation of powers concept will be just that, a quaint concept to be studies in history books .... probably as a footnote.

 

Meanwhile, Republicans:
Iraq War
Afghanistan nation building
Torture
Guantanamo
Tax cuts for wealthy
Demonize poor
Demonize immigrants
Blow the National debt wide open
Wreck the ACA
Threaten Social Security and Medicare

 

I have been hearing about the death of the republic since Reagan. Its not going anywhere

 

Actually FDR prolonged the "Great Depression" and by interfering with the economy that prolonged the recovery. It was Adolf Hitler who was responsible for the recovery of the economy.

The so called "Great Recession" officially ended in June of 2009.

It was TARP that was signed into law by President G.W. Bush in 2008 not by Senator Obama that saved the financial institutions.

President Obama oversaw the slowest recovery of a recession in America's history. The full recovery of the economy happened under President Trump. There's usually a full recovery of an economy after each recession with in 6 to 18 months. Because Obama interfered with the economy with a $831 billion dollar stimulus bill with nothing to show for it, ( Cash for Clunkers ) and over a thousand of Obama's restrictions and regulation put on manufacturing and businesses that there was no full recovery of the economy under Obama.

 

First point...not really...they are still racist, and use race to maintain power and control. Race baiting, and making race an issue has always been what the Dems have done.

Second point, not at all. Voting Rights to minorities has always been what the conservative movement in this Country has been about. The Conservative movement, lead by the Republicans, is fundamental to limited Govt, less Govt intervention in people's lives, and more power to the people....here's a line from Lincoln, during the Lincoln = Douglas debate: "is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles—right and wrong—throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time; and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, "You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it." No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle"

Progressives, or the "progressive movement" - was able the few people, the haves, having the power...it gave us wonderful things like Oliver Wendell Holmes upholding the idea of Govt forced eugenics....and President Wilson, showing "A Birth of a Nation" at the White House. I don't have to tell you what the Progressive's Eugenics programs lead to in Germany a few years later do I?

 

Today's Southern States that have escape the oppression of racist Dems. But it wouldn't just be the Southern States....there were a total of 30 states that supported the current President...those states were all over the Union...North, South, East and West. Lincoln believed in the Republic.

 

Please do not confuse Republicans with constitutional conservatives. Bush43 pretty much excluded true conservatives and Boehner put the house conservatives to rest. Conservatives in the senate have to fight for their lives, often against Republicans. McConnell heavily supported Rhinos against known conservatives in the primaries.

 

The democrat party at the time certainly did, but as I've already pointed out and a cursory re-read of your American history will confirm, democrats, especially southern democrats were very conservative by every definition of the term. Until you learn to disambiguate the ideology from the party, you're going to keep struggling...

This is just made up nonsense. Conservatism, again, by definition is an ideology centered around preserving the status quo; voting rights was a progressive idea that flew in the face of the desires of then Democrats, the conservative party of the day.

At some point you might want to step out of what you think, or want conservatism to mean, and deal with the actual definition.

 

They don't disambiguate themselves, so I'm not going to bother anymore either. Once these so called "constitutional conservatives" decided they were going to hitch themselves to Trump, I knew that any semblance of principle had been abandoned.

 

The southern states are the racist dems just that are going by a different name now.

 

Conservatism as a political term is what I am referring to...the values in the Declaration of Independence, which were used to form our Republic...hence Republican...that all men are created equal.

The Dem party still uses race baiting today...race comes up from the left daily.

 

It was JFK who actually got us into a shooting war in Vietnam.

When JFK ignored former President Eisenhower's warnings not to get involved with the corrupt Diem regime in South Vietnam but instead JFK signed off on the CIA backed regime change in the RVN (military coups) America owned South Vietnam from that day on and became America's problem.

The war in Vietnam could have been won in 1965 if LBJ hadn't micromanaged the war in Vietnam in particular the air war over North Vietnam.