What if there is no abrahamic god?

A person whose mother was a Jewess. Or someone who has c onverted to Judaism and gone through all the necessary procedures.It has nothing to do with what one believes or does. That's traditional Judaism. Modern versions are ascribed to modern Jewish 'sects'
And I know the queries about various people like Ruth, who, if she existed, converted to Judaism. Ezra's demand to put away strange (foreign) wives helps to clarify the situation. And I'm not getting into the mythical stories where the Hebrews destroyed people and took young virgins as slaves and wives.

You need to think back 2000 years, not base everything on todays iseas.

 

But according to you this 'young carpenter' was doing actual Miracles. He could walk on water, heal the sick, raise the dead feed 5000 with 5 loaves and 2 small fish. . Who would not want such a God. Their's had never done such things.

 

Yes, so anybody, even me or you, could become a Jew..
PS- As a matter of interest Jesus and the gospels often refer to 'The Jews', why didn't they use the words 'the people'?
For example-
"I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come" (John 13:33)
"This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”
"At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven”
"The Jews there were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having been taught?”
"The Jews said to one another, “Where does this man intend to go that we cannot find him?"

 

1-The snooty priests propaganda machine was working overtime to discredit Jesus by pooh-poohing his miracles, so the masses and Romans were left scratching their heads and didn't know what to think.
2- Anyway an "invisible" God didn't appeal to the Romans, they much preferred their colourful soap-opera assortment who they could easily identify with and make into mosaic pictures..
Jupiter - King of the Gods
Juno - Queen of the Gods
Neptune - God of the Sea
Pluto - God of Death
Apollo - God of the Sun
Diana - Goddess of the Moon
Mars - God of War
Venus - Goddess of Love
Cupid - God of Love
Mercury - Messenger of the Gods
Minerva - Goddess of Wisdom
Ceres - The Earth Goddess
Proserpine - Goddess of the Underworld
Vulcan - The Smith God
Bacchus - God of Wine
Saturn - God of Time
Vesta - Goddess of the Home
Janus - God of Doors
Uranus and Gaia - Parents of Saturn
Maia - Goddess of Growth
Flora - Goddess of Flowers
Plutus - God of Wealth

 

Which is of course totally false given the number of Jewish breakaway sects and zealots at the time who regularly flouted the "snooty priests", but don't let actual history interfere with your false narraitve.

 

The sects and zealots were few in number and certainly talked the talk, but only the kid from Nazareth could actually walk the walk and give the snooty priests what for..

1- "Just you stick with me chum"
2- "You're my best mate JC"
3- "Hey kiddo, why do you talk to riff-raff like him?"
4- "On yer friggin bikes you numbnuts!"

 

Yeah that was certainly more walking the walk than the Zealots who killed the priests and their Roman overlords...

 

This gospel was written many decades after Jesus - and after the destruction of the Temple. It is attributed to John but modern scholars do not accept this. This Gospel holds the Jews in contempt, and the gospel shows it in this way .'The Jews'. It was written in an age when Christianity was separating itself from Judaism and held 'the Jews' to blame. Probably around the turn of the century, or just before.

If you are saying that Jesus wasn't a Jew then the Genealogies are useless. Well they are anyway! They both get things wrong. And if Jesus wasn't a Jew then the Jews would not have listened to him and the Nativity stories are nonsense.

No-one knows who wrote the Gospel.
John 21:24 means that John would have been in his dotage.

Jews do not proselytise. And few men are prepared to go through the procedures, the difficult interviews and the giving up of family and friends to join the Jewish Family. Few ever meet these requirements for this.

 

Please don't bother with lists of gods. I've seen them and Greek gods and their Roman counterparts.

You think the Romans would have just ignored the miracles that were going on around them? You said Jesus was hugely popular - and the Romans didn't even question what was happening. You're just contradicting yourself.

 

The appeal of Abrahamic monotheism has always been that our God is an invisible God Who has no form or Image

"You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire." (Deut. 4:15)

The god of every other religion has an image, usually anthropomorphic or even in the form of an animal. But obviously the God who created the universe isn't wearing a toga and having a white beard. The real God is beyond our comprehension and imagination...but all the pagan gods show that their creators had an imagination (for example a man with the head of an elephant, or a woman with six arms).

But I want to include the Christian god in the category of pagan gods; since the Christian god in Christian theology and as portrayed in Christian art, is a man with the image of a man. When the Roman empire and the pagans converted to christianity they basically set aside all their anthropomorphic gods for a single anthropomorphic god (well actually a trinity). Only the Jews and Muslims worship a God that is not anthropomorphic, and has no Image, but is truly transcendent.

 

Moses saw God face to face.

 

Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.” And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.” (Exodus 33:18-23)

Like the Bible says, no man can see God's Face and live. It is beyond our comprehension. Even Moses didn't literally see God's Face as this passage makes plain. The glory of God is just too much for a flesh and blood human being to abide. If God exposed His Essence to us we would all perish because we can't handle it.

Scientifically, if there is a God He must be a transcendent God that is beyond any form or image we can conceive of. This too me is why Abrahamic monotheism makes more sense than the anthropomorphic gods of various pagan religions, which have bodies, forms and images. Its the wrong conception of god which gives rise to idolatry, fashioning images of god that is so strictly forbidden in the Bible. Unfortunately modern Christianity has succumbed to the wrong ideas of imaging god and making idols of him with a form and image. But the pure monotheism of Moses is incredibly superior to any kind of conception that other religions have of god having a limited form and someone you can draw or carve an image of.

 

You're reading too much into it mate; for example I'm in my 60's and could easily write my life story beginning over 60 years ago when my first memory was my newborn baby sister sucking my mam's titties..
In my late teens I began writing letters to the newspapers and wrote articles for aeromodelling magazines etc, many of which must be archived somewhere, plus for the last 15 years I've written sensational articles around net forums, so I'm in the public domain like John was, and his public hung on his every word for posterity..
That's why his gospel ends with the words-
"This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true" (John 21:24)
You can always argue it out with him if you meet him..

 

Jesus posed absolutely no threat to the Romans and he even told people "pay taxes to Rome...love your enemies" that's why they left him alone for 3 years with big smiles on their faces!
Heck he even once cured a Roman Centurions servant..

 

Chapter 21 is all about Peter. The disciple that 'Jesus loved' is not mentioned by name. If it was then wasn't he being self-righteous. Why would John say 'WE' know that his testimony is true. 'WE'? According to tradition the majority of the other disciples were dead. How did 'WE' know that 'his testimony is true'. A bit of bragging on John's part?

No you couldn't. You could write down those things that have stuck in your mind for their importance. I'm in my late 70's and I can remember events that were special for one reason or another. Even to events in school, and sleeping in an air-raid shelter. I have vague memories of other events that early, but not enough detail to remember, or know whether I have things right of not. People like to 'remember' things they have been told about themselves as youngsters.
The brain accepts millions of images through the eyes each day. You're driving up to traffic lights and looking at the light before deciding your actions. Important. Out the corner of your eye you have a fleeting glimpse of a sign in a shop window. Unimportant. What that sign says you may never know because the lights have changed and you carry on. In a weeks time that sign will be forgotten. It wasn't important in the context of your concentration. In a years time you won't even remember the day you drove over those lights. It's no longer important.

You would be doing well to remember one fifth of your life.

 

If someone had healed your servant by a miracle would you not have told someone?

You don't have to be a threat to anyone for them to be curious as to why 'huge crowds' followed Jesus. And for Miracles to be taking place among the people would have raised alarm. What threat did the Miracle worker represent to Rome. A crowd of 5000 people would also have raised questions with the Roman authorities..Theudas had raised just 300 men and had to be defeated. What threat did this Miracle worker pose. The Romans were aware of the Jewish belief that a Messiah in the form of a man would come to rescue them. Was this him?

 

Not if we keep diaries! Maybe the gospel-writers kept diaries and written accounts, and referred back to them when putting their gospels together later because words on paper never change..
“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”- Omar Khayyam

 

1- When Jesus healed the Centurion's servant the news would have been all over town..


2- No doubt Pilate sent somebody to check Jesus out early on, and when he reported back and said- "He tells the people to pay taxes to Rome and to love their enemies", it must have put a smile on Pilate's face bigger than a wave on a slop bucket and make him wish there were more prophets like that..
Even when the snooty priests dragged Jesus before Pilate, he pronounced him "Not guilty" and wanted to let him walk free, but the priests said "Whoa mate, he said he was a king and that's treason against Rome, so if you let him go it'll look bad on your record and you'll be recalled to Rome to end your career slopping out the latrines in the Colosseum!"
So Pilate caved in and signed the death warant to cover his ass.

 

No true telling us. One abrahemic God of Israel exist on earth is proof by every how believe he creator earth on six days and over 5000 year back. But I believe also Gud from Sweden are anywhere in galax or behind hell port he creater four evil to Swedish hell.

This is facts. Isn't well Jesus Christ how creater these four evil to Swedish hell ? Goden creater the English language. Only Spanish is bigger maybe arabic too. Allahu creater 13 hells with arabic Devil how have easy way to speak arabic. Allahu make arabic Devil dream true with speak arab language.

The Devil exist also my believe are truelly. The Devil are universum in evil forces my believe just are. I have dream about these six or five years back in bedroom. Have also dream about Satan but that are boring with f-k his offers even humanity are offer for short Satan.

Real Satan are big Satan in Swedish hell. He'll speak with monster voices. He can help humanity to speak Swedish language I maybe know. Jesus Christ have well not creaters big Satan ? I never will these with Jesus Christ is for every Christians. I believe on Swedish Gud.

Gud are Swedish name on God.

 

Prostestants and Lutheran Christian believe on God and Lord almost everybody of us ?!

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Who are vice white humanity ?!

 

You've got to be joking. They carried papyrus and ink around with them, shorthand wrote the sermon on the mount, and then wrote it up at night.

And the MOVING FINGER (fate and time) write on paper?

 

Unfortunately Jesus was not telling the to pay their taxes. The only people who paid tax to Rome were property owners. He tells them to give to Caesar what is due to Caesar - that can be tax where applicable, honour and tribute.
It actually compares what is owed to Caesar - including the property tax. And that which was owed to god - the Temple tax - which ALL Hebrews were supposed to pay.

The idea of the 'tax to Rome' came from St Justyn Martyr in his 'Apology'.

 

So it were Jesus Christ how want Communism to two species in Christianity ?! I'm an lucky protestant never want Communism rule to following. Just little I likes.

 

Yup you got it mate..
Jesus was the Donald Trump of his time, the biggest talking point around, and the whole of Israel was buzzing, so naturally people would want to write it down, especially his followers..
Coincidentally this story appeared in today's Daily Express about a bunch of kids who saw a UFO land next to their school in Broad Haven (Wales) 40 years ago and they did sketches of it at the time for posterity (main pic).
They're all over 50 yrs old now, but as the article indicates, they can remember the incident as if it was yesterday, and they've got their sketches to refer to, also there were adult witnesses in the area which became a centre of UFO activity for a while-

 

nothing changes as there is no abrahamic god