What is logical and what is illogical?

Maybe.
Call it God, mother nature, father time. What ever name you want to put on the forever existance.
Just not sure the bible, koran, or torah are the intended results of God.

Oh, if something has existed for infinity, was that existance created?

 

LMAO! No we don't! This is just word games. We can't know anything about nothing as there's nothing to know about. To claim to know a property of nothing is just nonsense. You haven't presented logic at work, you've presented gobledegook at work. Well maybe if you've studied nothing for long enough you'd have enough data to say nothing about it. Hehehehe.

 

Are you suggesting that something can come from nothing?...lol

Now that would defy all logic...wouldn't it?...lol

 

by that logic then

everything has a creator
you are something
therefore there is something that crated you (God)

 

What is just word games?

 

how would anyone know if there is/was nothing?
which came 1st, the chicken or the egg?

 

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It's not that crazy. If you have a vacuum cleaner and turn it on, there is clearly a nothing effect that is cleaning the boogers and toenails off of your rug. So by analogy, God is a vacuum cleaner that is sucking the boogers and toenails out of us.

 

Based on your not so bright statement above it appears there is a vacuum in your brains...hahahaha!...here!...here!

So it explains the logic of my statement above...lol

 

Everything owes its existence to quantum foam however quantum foam itself doesn't create everything. It just starts the process. Once quarks and neutrinos form and go on to create hydrogen atoms the process really takes off. The hydrogen creates gravity, which causes even greater accumulations of hydrogen into giant balls. These balls then become stars. The stars give off matter which then clumps together into various types of planets. These planets then create new elements. Some even create life forms.

Quantum foam isn't nothing but it's the closest thing to it there is. It creates the first building block from which everything else is made.

 

It is impossible for anything lifeless such as matter to create living beings such as plants, animals and human beings.

Only something that is a living being such as God Almighty can create other living beings such as plants, animals and human beings.

Now doesn't all that sound more logical than what you are selling?...here!...here!

 

1) "We know from nothing, nothing comes." How do we know that? That isn't something we've arrived at logically - that's just something you're taking as an axiom.

2) "If there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence." As a statement, that does follow logically from (1), but you're not really proving what you want to prove because we don't know that (1) is true, and even if (1) is true, we don't know that there was ever a time that there was nothing.

3) "But things do exist." That one I can agree with. Not logically proven, but I'll accept it as an axiom.

4) "Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence." True, but only if we accept the truth of (1), and it needn't have always been the same thing in existence - there could have been an eternal chain of different, temporary existing things.

5) "That ever-existing thing is what we call God." I suppose if you want to put a label on something, that's fine...

6) "God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence." And here you lose me again, because you're saying that this thing you've labelled 'God' is a being. Don't see how that follows logically from anything you've said.

So at best, I think you've got "If it's true that nothing can come from nothing, and if it's true that there's currently something, then there never could have been nothing.

 

God created the rooster then He created the hen. One moonlit warm night the rooster and the hen decided to have little baby chicks and so they engaged in coitus and not long after that the hen laid a few eggs.

Now you got to admit that is a plausible logical explanation...isn't it?

 

How does the shell get around the egg yolk?

 

The chicken came first.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3823868...which-came-first-chicken-or-egg/#.UJd9A4aQPSg

 

That's a question only God can answer. I am not at all qualified to answer such a tough question...it is beyond my capacities!...here!...here!

 

It's really simple. The egg yolk creates the shell to protect it. The chicken doesn't have anything to do with it. http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/transcript/how-does-a-chickens-egg-get-its-shell/

Surely you can answer the questions God asked Job in Job chapter 38?

 

You are not explaining how the egg yolk does it...only God can explain it because He designed it.

 

Read the link.

 

How on earth did you figure that from "We can't know anything about nothing as there's nothing to know about"?. That would be just as nonsensical as saying "from nothing, nothing comes". I'm saying it isn't possible to know anything about the properties of nothing as, by definition, we can't study and learn anything about it. So it's just folly to pretend to know something about nothing.

 

There is no logic here, just claims that can't be substantiated.

 

You are just being in denial...of course there is logic to what I have said, I mean how could you make a claim that lifeless material can one day decide it wants to create living material...that concept defies all logic! Are you suggesting that all the different living species all came about accidentally without any kind of intelligent design?...boy that's a whole lot of accidents...lol

On the otherhand it is more logical to say that a living, highly intelligent being, could design and create other lifeforms that are far more inferior to itself such as plants, animals and human beings.

The statement directly above does not defy logic.

 

Nope, logic begins with verifiably true premises and procedes from there to valid conclusions. You provided no verifiably true premises but rather unsubstantiated conjecture. Therefore what I said was correct. There was nothing logical about your post, it was just unsubstantiated claims.

 

Nope...sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. Look it's either lifeless forms created living beings or a living being created other living beings.

I choose to believe a living being created other living beings because it just makes more logical sense.

Since you don't agree with my premise then you must believe that lifeless forms created livng beings...hahahaha! that is so illogical. You need to take a class in understanding logic.

 

O.K. Mitt, here is your entire post, i.e. the one I said contained no logic.

"It is impossible for anything lifeless such as matter to create living beings such as plants, animals and human beings.

Only something that is a living being such as God Almighty can create other living beings such as plants, animals and human beings.

Now doesn't all that sound more logical than what you are selling?...here!...here!"

It contains 3 lines. The first to are merely claims, neither of which can be substantiated, and the 3rd is simply an irrelevant question. If you think this is logic then you have no clue as to what logic is.

 

My logic is true. Look go outside and get a pile of dirt and make sure it has no seeds of any kind then just let it sit in a bowl or something.

I already know if you keep watching that bowl of dirt for the rest of your life you will not see it create a living being ever...why? because of the universal truth which is lifeless forms cannot create living beings.

Only living beings can create other living beings. Your parents created you, your parents parents created them and you can go back and back until the point of final regress where the buck stops. It stops with God, for He is the uncaused cause that created all other living beings.

Simple logic....no?