What is logical and what is illogical?

I'm not in the guessing game. I only know what he printed (said).. you on the other hand, presumably want people to believe that he said something that was not stated.

 

pre·sum·a·bly
Adverb:
Used to convey that what is asserted is very likely though not known for certain.

I thought you weren't in the guessing game?

 

The universe has not been around for an infinitely long period of time, it had a beginning and so it is not eternal. Scientists claim that some 14 billions years ago there was a big bang (an astronomically huge explosion) and the universe came into existence. The question then becomes what triggered this massive explosion. Did this explosion happened from out of nowhere?...from nothing? That doesn't appear logical because everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a "something," then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

He is the one that created the universe and everything in existence. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." ---Genesis 1:1 NLT

 

Can you prove this? Maybe the Universe has a big bang, expands, then collapses on itself ina big cruch and then another big bang, in an never ending cycle. Perhaps we are on cycle #1,569,536,282,639 or we might be on cycle #2.

Because there is evidence to support this claim. That is why the Big Bang is a theory and not a Hypothesis.

First off the Big Bang is the result of gravity. Secondly you can create something out of nothing. For every unit of positive energy in the Universe there is one unit of negative energy in the Universe. When you combine all the energy in the Universe, you get NOTHING. We are on the ultimate free lunch.

Humans made up god(s) to explain the universe. It was an easy explanation for how the Universe got here. Today, we have natural answers with evidence for the Universe. All religions that have a central god pray upon ignorance to stay alive. Yes, you are wrong. 'god' was created. 'god' was created in the minds of human beings.

Anyone who takes anything literally from the book of genesis is a complete moron.

 

What leads you to think the 'something' which triggered this explosion was your God?
There are several steps missing in this chain of arguments - assuming you wanted to make some sort of logical argument here.

 

So are we the humans of cycle #2 or cycle #1,569,436,282,639?...lol Boy if we're the latter that's a whole lot of human history...lol

While you continually play the guessing game, I have a definite explanation of how we came into existence and it is based on evidence...not guesswork!

 

And what is this explination and evidence?

 

Wait, if you have to logically derive a solution, that by definition is guesswork.
Evidence with no contrary is proof and not guesswork.

The sun gives off energy, no logical guesswork needed to prove it.
It is seen, felt, and used.

 

So if gravity caused the big bang what caused gravity or what is gravity the result of?...duh you have no answer right?...lol

Sorry, once again from nothing comes nothing and so it is illogical to say you can create something out of nothing. If you combine all the energy (equal amounts of positive and negative) they cancel out each other and you are left with nothing which means there is no more energy and so how is this cancellation creating something?

Can you build a chair using nothing?...the answer is no!

Can you build a chair using something ( wood, hammer, nails, saw)?...the answer is yes!

I just proved from nothing comes nothing but from something comes something!...I'm a genius!...lol

 

The Christian God is not made up. It is the truth. God revealed Himself when His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior lived among us some 2,000 yrs. ago. It is an historical fact. Do you have evidence that this historical fact is not true?

Do you believe in the history books depicting the life of Alexander the Great? Or do you believe he is just a fictious character created in the minds of human beings who lived some 356 yrs. B.C. (Before Christ)?

 

I detect a hint of frustration, anger based on a typical response by an atheist using putdowns...my! my! don't go rupturing a nerve!

Can't we all show some love?...lol

 

This is obviously above your pay grade.

You should study 'Zero-energy universe'.

 

All gods are made up, the christian god too.

There are no records of this Jesus when he was supposedly alive – none. The first writings of this myth do not show up till well after 15 years of his supposed crucifixion. Romans were very meticulous record keepers, yet we do not find any records of Jesus while he was supposedly alive – NONE.

Have you read about Horus? Horus and Jesus have many strikingly similar attributes. You should look at them. If you really feel like being adventurous you can look at other messiahs and see what they have in common with Jesus. Jesus was simply the last “Johnny Come Lately” messiah who stole his attributes from all the others that came before him.

 

And I'm still waiting......

 

The explanation is "The God of the Bible" and the evidence is "The Universe". lol

 

If you combine all the energy ... they cancel out each other and you are left with nothing - right.
So, from nothing come positive and negative energies - something came from nothing, according to your own reasoning.

Which one is it? lol

 

There is absolutely no validity to your statement...shall we just say it is an invalid statement.

 

O.K. then I'll simply assert that the universe is uncaused and uncreated. It simply exists. There you go!

 

The universe had a begining (the big bang) and so it was created. It was created by Almighty God!...write that down in your notebook!

 

Except stones was 100% correct.

You'd know this if you weren't wilfully historically illiterate.

 

Where is your absolute PROOF of claim that "all gods are made up, the christian god too."?

 

All around you. Open your eyes.

 

My eyes are wide open and I see nothing that indicates that "all gods are made up, the christian god too." Where exactly am I or someone else supposed to look in that 'all around you' scenario. Is it under my coffee cup, perhaps in my printer under all the paper? Where exactly?

 

There you go. You are failing to peer beyond very narrow confines.

 

And you still cannot properly identify where, specifically, one is to look.... also, you are failing to expound upon what specifically one is to be looking for. You really do need to brush up on your ability to present a proper claim which can be substantiated.