What sin has God condemned you for?

I like that post dairyair. Of course I also hold that I don't believe that I am "on a path with the bulk of the rest of us". I say that because of the obvious differences which you and I have confronted one another. Otherwise.... a good post.

 

Well, you may want to "forget that", but I am certain that I don't forget that and am equally certain that other Christians also will not 'forget that'. At any rate, on Golgotha, that is exactly what happened. God took the Christ out of Jesus (the man) and the man Jesus cried out "Father why have you forsaken me?" That statement/question, IMHO, was his only human fallacy... his flesh was suffering and he no longer had the Christ in him at that moment in time...

I am not familiar with that song. What specific hymn book is it found in?

That is a pretty broad brush you are using to paint that picture. Can you possibly use a smaller tip and add a little more detail to that picture?

 

it's very simple. if you place a trap in the path of innocents, you're effectively setting them up to fail. no parent would do such a thing, deliberately. parents ameliorate risks and exposure to choice significantly.

 

The contrived god of the Jewish bible is an ******** at best and a probable psychopath. This guy was most likely made up by charlatans who wanted to control their sheeple.

 

You are starting to sound like one of those new age Social workers who work as a child advocate... liberal agenda all the way... the children can do no wrong...

So, if I were a drinking man and kept a 6pack in the fridge, I would be setting the children up because of my wanting to have something that is not illegal around the house huh. Yet it is illegal for the children to have that substance in their possession. So, in your eyes, if one of my children were to sneak one of those beers from the fridge and later get caught, it would be my fault even though they were told repeatedly "don't touch the beer". Yeah right.... So one of your kids slip into your bedroom while you and your wife are engaged in the permissible act of sex, you are at fault for indecent exposure and lewd and lascivious conduct in front of a minor. See how silly your argument is.... Seemingly in that process of amelioration, you and your wife did not take into account the risk (chance) that the child would enter the bedroom or that the child would sneak a beer out of the fridge. Poor judgment on the part of such parents.

 

He hasn't.

Also, nobody is born with a specific sin. I've never heard of
that and certainly don't know how the myth of being born
with one was created.

That's the way he decided was best. He's God.

 

I agree and some of the old Gnostic Christian thinking did just that. Some of our old myths show the Christ above the cross laughing down on those who thought they were killing just a man. Our myths are stranger than most and you would have to read them.

I do not value them so much as myths but think them more important today just in the fact that they exist and draw questions as to why the old church, owned by Constantine, decided to go with a literal as only literally using the 4 main gospels.

Those of intelligence will wonder why Constantine decided to send the church into that direction. Think God of war and tyranny. Just what Constantine wanted to be as the next Man/God emperor.

Regards
DL

 

I agree but it opens the door for self-forgiveness if the victim is not at an elevated state of wisdom high enough to know the benefits of forgiving.

That desired aspect of forgiveness you mention is what is key.

Regards
DL

 

That is what happens with idol worshipers.

They ignore that Jesus says to seek God. Those who idol worship do not follow Jesus. They follow a church and it's lies.

Regards
DL

 

Christian morality has been corrupted by their religion.

Instead or going by the ancient myths, they believe church dogma that forces them to embrace human sacrifice. That immoral concept is the root of Christian beliefs and is quite immoral.

As to the hymn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsultet

Listen to some of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXOvYn1OAL0&list=UUDXjzOeZRqLxhYaaEhWLb_A&index=9

Regards
DL

 

You do not know of Original Sin?

Where have you been. Google it.

Your God also decided it was best to torture King David's baby for 6 days before finally murdering it because he was angry with David.

He decided that was best and did it.

Do you think that that was good justice?

Please, no, --- Duh, it must be just because God did it.
That would be a really stupid reply. Mine is a moral question and please give a moral reply and argument.

If you can.

Regards
DL

 

At the highlighted text: 1: you appear to be placing yourself in a position of a judge who KNOWS what is in the heart of every person who claims to be a Christian. Do you possess such KNOWING? Name one Christian who embraces the concept of human sacrifice? Then show PROOF that the named person holds or embraces such a concept. As for your links to material published by other humans ..... Naaaah... I would prefer to listen to the Holy Spirit.

 

Ok. Christians do not believe the Apostles creed.

Regards
DL

 

Define the "Apostles Creed" and show where such a declaration has any authority based upon scripture. In other words show where such a creed is authorized and mandated by the very 'Bible' which it (the creed) is supposed to support.

 

I know of it very well thank you. Nobody is born with a specific sin.
Where did you arrive to a conclusion that we are?

Not true. The baby wasn't tortured or murdered. You must be
reading another story from another book. 2 Samuel 12:14-31

Yes. God is just and his justice is perfect.

 

You're quite a piece of work! You have no clue what I believe, or how I came to believe it.
The only church I've ever been a member of is Unity.
At that, I don't "worship" anything or anyone, though I hold many beings in very high regard. For some of us, this matter of spirituality is all about being associated with Spirit. I wish you luck in your search.

 

Define it?

Show it you mean.

1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

10. The forgiveness of sins:

1l. The resurrection of the body:

12. And the life everlasting. Amen.

If you do not see it based on scriptures then your reading skills need toning up my friend.

Regards
DL

P. S. What a ridiculous set of beliefs to a thinking man eh?

 

Really!

Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.

God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

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Original sin. You do know about Baptism. Right?

Regards
DL

 

No! I meant what I said. Define the Apostles Creed. To say that something is 'ridiculous' is the same as ridiculing that something. Does ridicule make you more intelligent than that "thinking man"?

 

I define it as a set of tenets that only really poor thinkers would ever accept.

Regards
DL

 

"poor" is such an ambiguous term. What specifically do you mean by 'poor'?

 

I mean when someone is willing to ignore or discard logic and reason and use faith.

Regards
DL

 

Then you are personally (when interacting with others) not making allowance for the right of those others to believe what they choose to believe?