White House falsely claims there was no vaccine when Biden took office

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well .. in all honesty .. we still don't have a vax - which is the big lie out of the ministry of Truth.
     
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    They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery..
     
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    "If the United States had the same Covid death rate as Australia, about 900,000 lives would have been saved. Many places provide insight. Japan. Kenya. Norway. But Australia offers perhaps the sharpest comparisons with the American experience. Both countries are English-speaking democracies with similar demographic profiles. In Australia and in the United States, the median age is 38. Roughly 86 percent of Australians live in urban areas, compared with 83 percent of Americans.

    Yet Australia’s Covid death rate sits at one-tenth of America’s, putting the nation of 25 million people (with around 7,500 deaths) near the top of global rankings in the protection of life.

    But Australia’s Covid playbook produced results because of something more easily felt than analyzed at a news conference. Dozens of interviews, along with survey data and scientific studies from around the world, point to a lifesaving trait that Australians displayed from the top of government to the hospital floor, and that Americans have shown they lack: trust, in science and institutions, but especially in one another."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/world/australia/covid-deaths.html

    It's primarily reality that has a hold on us...
     
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    It's known that Trump had no plan how to distribute the vaccine.
    So even when some number did get a vaccine, it remains mostly true statement that the vaccine wasn't available.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-klain-idUSKBN29T0FY


    And what's the problem with a statement that's mosly true?
    Trump yelled at top of his twitter account that the elections were stolen.
    Where were you lot when that happened?
     
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    Divert from what ? Your hypocrisy ?
     
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    Well it helps when you shut down all your borders, some dems would never allow on the southern border. How many illegals you think got in Australia in 2020
     
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    Which might influence the numbers about 1% or 2%.

    Now about the other 98%...???
     
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    Politifact says Biden and your summation is false. Kind of hard to work out logistics when it wasn't even approved until after the election as you know. Fact more died on Biden's watch with the vaccine, something few on the left will ever bring up.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...vaccine-plan-left-logistics-states-it-did-ex/
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    The subject of this thread which you obviously are not prepared to discuss.
     
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    They had already arraigned with the major drug stores and big box stores to administer the vaccinations and the TWEET said the was NO VACCINE so you ain't gonna get away with trying to move the goal post.

    Biden Officials Say Trump Had No Plan for Vaccines. A Look Back Says Differently.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — At the White House in early December last year, Wes Wheeler, the president of UPS Healthcare, stood on a stage and motioned to a large white cardboard box, holding a microphone to explain how it would be used to ship up to 5,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine, millions of which were set to go out across the country less than a week later.

    Wheeler explained that dry ice would occupy the bottom layer, then a second styrofoam box inside would provide insulation, plus a GPS tracking system and a temperature monitor would help account for the doses’ journey.

    Under Operation Warp Speed — the name for the Trump administration’s effort to develop and distribute a COVID-19 vaccine — a network of shipping, supplies and storage had been set up in anticipation of the vaccines’ approval at the end of 2020.

    The assembly of tens of millions of vaccine kits had begun in October. Special refrigerator units had been made to store the Pfizer vaccine, which requires temperatures below zero. UPS was prepared to churn out 60,000 pounds of dry ice per day.

    But all of it was downplayed once President Joe Biden took office, when officials began relaying the message that the new administration was starting from square one, even though the distribution plan largely remained the same.

    “They have not changed Operation Warp Speed in any meaningful way,” said Brian Harrison, the chief of staff for the Department of Health and Human Services under President Trump.....

    https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/c...lan-for-vaccines-a-look-back-says-differently
     
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    Yes Obama FINALLY told Hawaii to send him a copy and he released it. He could have done so from the getgo to dispell ANY notion that he was not qualified and he SHOULD HAVE. But he like Trump milked it for all they could for their own personal reasons.
     
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    I literally couldn't agree with you anymore... Unless %101 was a real thing.
     
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    By FAR the majority of COVID came to America from EUROPE.

    It's been shown by tracking differences in variants that almost all COVID in America arrived through travel from Europe.

    COVID arriving directly from the ME dominated only in a couple western states.


    The nonsense about our southern border is no more than a pathetic extension of the general hate for Hispanics.

    If we wanted to try closing borders, it would have meant stopping air travel, especially flights between eastern states to Europe.
     
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    He had long since been fully vetted by the standard process used for all presidents.

    The assault on him was purely racially driven.

    And, I'd point out that TRUMP still stated that he had information that would prove Obama was not qualified due to his birth - AFTER all documents were public.

    The full provision of documents DID NOT STOP the racists, and I do not mean just Trump.

    We should be blaming the racists for their lies, not those who have some faith that Americans will move beyond that kind of CRAP.
     
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  15. Bluesguy

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    It was POLITICALLY self promotionally driven just as was his own milking it POLITICALLY for as long as he could.
     
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    Oh, please. You're smarter than that!

    Obama could not possibly have benefitted from the racist assaults of Republicans.

    Plus, Republicans wouldn't have been leveling such racism against Obama if they didn't think it was to their advantage.
     
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    Oh geez OF COURSE HE DID as did the Dems and the MSM attacking as racist and bigots anyone who would even question and they STILL do today as even you are. All Obama had to do from day one is request a copy but he dodges and danced and the MSM promoted the false claim that he could jot get such a copy. I argued it at the time even citing Hawaii law that they SHALL produce any such request from a person for ANY document concerning them up such request. The MSM finally could nonlonger hide the fact and went and get the SecState of Hawaii to admit it and Obama had to make the request. As President he should NEVER have allowed such a claim fester about his qualifications to even be President but for the good of the country cleared up the matter as quickly as possible.
     
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    Asked and answered.

    Your FAKE solution was done, and it did NOT stop the racists attacks concerning his birth.

    In fact, Trump worked to continue promoting those racist lies.
     
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    Obama released the short form in 2008, that should have been enough
    Hawaii confirmed it in 2008, that should have been enough
    Obama released the long from in 2011, that should have been enough
     
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    Exactly.

    Racism is not easily discouraged by a constant barrage of truth.

    Truth certainly did not discourage Trump from HIS racist assault on Obama's legitimacy, long after multiple releases of the truth.
     
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    Any actual evidence that Trumps criticisms had anything to do with obama's race? In other words, do you have any evidence that it would've been different had obama been white?

    I'm pretty sure you have nothing (actually I know it) but I'm curious as to what your reasoning is.
     
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    Yes Obama FINALLY told Hawaii to send him a copy of the ORGINAL and he released it. He could have done so from the getgo to dispell ANY notion that he was not qualified and he SHOULD HAVE. But he like Trump milked it for all they could for their own personal reasons.
     
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    Trump worked long and hard, including AFTER all information was available, to paint Obama as a Kenyan Muslim.

    Both those were prominently featured in his political activities and were bald faced lies.

    Trump's direction after HE was elected clearly identified him as supportive of racist positions on Hispanics, African-Americans and other groups. He has been seen as the dream president by those who self identify as white supremacists.
     
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    He was fully vetted by the independent official channels who's position it is to do that.

    The racist attacks of white supremacists, including Trump, could not possibly have benefitted Obama.

    The question is, how should one respond to the racist publications of white supremacists?

    Throughout his presidency, Obama attempted to take a position of tolerance toward these disgusting dregs of society.

    Now, YOU come along and suggest that he should have engaged these hate groups!! What crap! There would have been nothing to gain other than more publicity for white supremacists and related hate groups.
     
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    Majority of covid, so how many illegals were tested??? No one really knows, no one really knows how many are crossing not caught. Its literally the dumbest thing a civilized country can do.
     

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