Who do you consider white? Is white a valid race?

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  1. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    I'll refrain from pointing out that there are biologically speaking no separate races this one time....even using the old erroneous racial classification system there are over 2 billion "white" people in a global population of 7 billion, I'll let you do the math but the answer won't be 8%...
     
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    There is only one true white people out there.

    They are albinos.

    Just sayin'.
     
  3. Ovadia

    Ovadia New Member

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    The man I posted was Moroccan, the guy with blue eyes and reddish blond hair, not ashkenazi. Also, Behar estimated that 40% of ashkenazi jews come from middle eastern founder women. The study above is the richards study which has been widely criticized for its over estimation, statistics, and methodology.

    Moroccans and ashkenazi are the closest relatives on genetic plots. They look the same, not all the time, but in many cases. Especially before word war 2.
     
  4. Ovadia

    Ovadia New Member

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    I'm not talking about the religion, but the ethnicity. Moroccans and ashkenazi jews are the closest relatives. Thats why they look alike. I forgot sefaradic syrians cluster with ashkenazi too. This is not surprising since both sefaradic and ashkenazi formed right next to each other in mediterranean europe during the middle ages in southern and northern france and italy, based on babylonian and palestinian jewish exiles as well as some greco-roman converts. This created the 'jewish look' common to many jews today.

    Also, even the elhaik study proves ashkenazi jews are related to azeri jews and caucasians (who are mixed middle easterners). Azeri jews are related to my group (babylonian/iraqi jews). So in turn ashkenazi are closely related to iraqi jews as well. Again, some ashkenazi are darker than iraqis even.

    These are ashkenazi jews, they look middle eastern, because most of their dna is. The rest is mediterranean.

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    And some ashkenazi are darker than moroccans and iraqis and syrians. And even look yemenite, like this ashkenazi kid.

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    Also, red hair is not necessarily a european trait. Plenty of kurds have red hair, as do palestinians, iraqis, and syrians.

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  5. Ovadia

    Ovadia New Member

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    Here are two sefaradic boys in palestine. As you can see they have milky white skin and blue eyes. This is not uncommon for sefaradic or ashkenazi jews.

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    Of course the most common jewish look is this:

    Moroccan sefaradic jew (originally from europe ((spain)) )

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    Side profile of same man, moroccan, with iraqi jewish rabbi. Both have white skin, when not tanned.

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    There are so many jews from europe and morocco that look like this. Why? Because they share the same dna and ancestry. No joke, he looks uber jewish, or northern semitic (jews originated in the fertile crescent (iraq) and spread out to caanan (israel) and then later spain and germany (both european countries). The picked up some mediterranean dna along the way from intermarriage with greco roman converts to judaism. So any european ancestry they have is greek italian and other southern european.

    Its the facial features, its not politically correct to say this, but the fact is many jews do have a common 'semite' look, not exclusive to jews, but it is mediterranean and/or middle eastern.
     
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    J0NAH Banned

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    not really, they can claim whatever they like, apart from inventing anything. whites never invented anything, fact. all they did was innovate an already existing 'invention'.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    racist nonsense.

    there are countless products invented by white persons.
     
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    J0NAH Banned

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    semite look, lol.

    you know what a semite look is, its a so- called black man of asia/afrika, thats pretty much fact, anything else is a counterfeit.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sorry bro, but the vast majority of Semites are NOT black African/Negro.
     
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    Yes some semites are black africans like the amharic and tigrinya speakers of Ethiopia. I was talking about the common definition of semite, meaning jew, usually referring to jews with middle eastern features, whether from germany, spain, morocco, or turkey.

    Of course there are black semites, but I am not talking about them, or the arabs who are also semites from south arabia. The fact is its not pc, but its true, a lot of jewish people know matter where they come from or whatever their religious background is (sfarad or ashkenaz) look identical in phenotype. Not surprising because they are identical in genotype.
     
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    most Semites are not black African/Negro.

    most of them are darker skinned Caucasian Arabs/Berbers and other inhabitants of the Middle East and North Africa.
     
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    common?

    you mean eurocentric yes. we live in 2 different worlds, 2 different times and ionly bargain with the righteous.
     
  14. Ovadia

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    I was referring to amharic/tigrinya speakers, obviously they are a minority. You are correct, most 'semites' (arabs) from the gulf region and egypt are very dark skinned.

    Berbers however are not semites, and many are very fair skinned and look european. It depends on the berber tribe of course. But a lot have blue eyes and light features. Berber is though part of the larger afro-asiatic language family which semitic belongs too.

    Jews, even the mizrahim are typically white skinned (with olive undertones) but can tan very dark brown, thats why in Israel, most Israeli Jews whether sefaradi or ashkenazi are brown skinned, because it is so hot.
     
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    Berber is a relative of chadic, semitic, and egyptian languages, all are afro asiatic. A LOT of berbers are white/caucasoid

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    Here is a north african jew, again defying the stereotype that 'sfaradim' are not white. He is not atypical. North african jews are split down the middle, some are brown, some are white skinned, its just variation. Some have pink undertones like this man, some have olive undertones.

    He also has blue eyes, very common among sefaradic jews.
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    This is the most common look among all jews, he could fit anywhere from poland to morocco to iran. Its the facial features. You wouldn't believe how many times people have wrongly guessed him as 'ashkenazi'. He is Israeli of Moroccan jewish origin. Moroccans are one of the largest jewish groups in Israel, they immigrated to Morocco 500 years ago after they were expelled from europe (spain and portugal).

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    Some had hebrew names, others had hebrew and spanish names, others had hebrew and berber or hebrew and arabic names. French surnames are very common among moroccan israelis too.
     
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    many ppl in the celtic nations of britain could be related to berbers. that could be where the celts get their dark skin and brown eyes from. the cross exchange of celtic and afrikan cultures during the height of afrikan dominance in the med may have resulted in the paler features of some berbers, that would explain why some berbers look european.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there are no dark skinned Irish/Scottish/Welsh
     
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    lol.

    that guy is european who converted to judaism, good on him, maybe he is getting closer to Yah in his own mind, we'll see.
     
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    you have no evidence that he converted.
     
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    a true welshman is very swarthy, italian looking. the italians too have this same cultural exchange with afrika, thats where their curly hair and dark skin comes from.
     
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    lol!!!!!!!

    OMG, do you know what you just invented?

    the "No True Welshman" logical fallacy!!!!

    :)
     
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    No he isn't. He is a moroccan jew, his name is alber elbaz. Elbaz is actually arabic (which doesn't make him arab) just like african americans who adopted english surnames, it doesn't make them english racially/ethnically either.

    He is definitely not a european. He is a north african jew. Although his ancestors were sefaradic jews from europe (spain). There are palestinian arabs that have his features, some palestinians are even lighter and they are not european obviously. You have no evidence for your claim.
     
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    Well, some are, but they are a minority, probably descended from spanish immigrants from several hundred years ago.

    Catherine zeta jones is welsh
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    Also 'black irish' refer to irish people with dark features, most likely from med. admixture.
     
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    ah, them.

    they are descendants of inter-marriage between natives and Spanish/Portugeese migrants during the 18th century.
     

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