Who is the Beast in The Book of Revelations?

For those who have no eyes and ears, I agree it's guess work. But for those who have eyes, let them see. And for those who have ears, let them hear.

Let me guess, your response is, "Most people do have eyes and ears."

 

Islam was created by the Vatican

 

How about a thrice-married gambling tycoon (on his second marriage to an adulterous ex-mistress), who was pro-choice, still speaks favorably of Planned Parenthood, and bragged about his sexual exploits as a young man as "his Vietnam".....


who is being supported by SUPPOSEDLY conservative and fundamentalist/evangelical "Christians"???

 

A beast in prophecy is a nation. What nation holds these prophecies? What nation delivers to all other nations the wine of fornication? What nation seeks to ultimately be rid of God? Passing laws that persecute God, and law's that are forbidden by God. What nation does not teach the young of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? What nation has a multitude of people that would rather have law's that forbid the Holy Spirit, and promote the spirit of darkness? This is why Jesus told us, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." By abandoning the morals and principalities of righteousness, it allows for easy deception and a strong spirit of darkness. If you have come to an answer of more than one nation, look for those nations to hand their power over, to the son of perdition, master of lies, the great deceiver, the fallen one, the morning star, serpent, appolyon, abaddon, lucipher, satan, the devil.

 

You're not very good at guessing!

My response is this...

If there were a correct interpretation of these books there would have been only one arrived at.

But there are as many differing "interpretations" as there are varieties of christianity.

So this means one of two things...

1. Christians are bad at interpretation

2. I'm right and the book is just an inkblot and people see what they want to see.

 

It is only for the faithful, and that is why it was written in the way it was. For one cannot understand without the faith in Jesus Christ and our heavenly Father. Those who are blind, choose to be. For their boastfulness gets in the way, such as, "I'm right and the book is just an inkblot and people see what they want to see." For just an inkblot, it is the most selling and read book in the history of man. What then are all other books, if this one is just an inkblot?

 

It says in the beginning. The sea.

 

All very interesting except that most of the imagery in Revelations was taken from the OT which was written centuries before the Roman Empire existed. Most of it before the Roman Republic. The Essenes used the same imagery and added their 'interpretation' to it. John did the same and added Christian imagery to it.

The imagery in the OT has to do with the Hebrews. What has been added or taken away has changed its original purpose. How can the imagery of the OT have anything to do with Rome and roman emperors still centuries in the future. Or with the Christian Messiah - Jesus - again centuries in the future. There is no reference to Jesus in the OT - or to Rome.

The book of Revelations is an adaptation of the OT images - by John? - to refer to Rome. As far back as Isaiah the Jews are promised a new heaven and new earth with no more sorrow or crying.

Caligula was actually the first to kill Christians but at that time they we considered a Jewish Sect.

 

The Beast is generically Rome and specifically Nero.. Nero was known as the Beast by his counterparts for the vicious murders of most of his family and the rape and tortures inflicted on his enemies...

There was a fear after Nero's death/suicide in 67 or 68 AD that his wound would heal and he would return with an army out of the sea to begin the persecutions again.

Its not mysterious.. Nero was the 6th Roman emperor and the first one to persecute Christians.. With his death his line was gone and the beast was dead, but with a new series of Roman emperors the Beast returned.

 

Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. Not a thing.

 

I suggest pointing more of the finger of blame where it really counts (abandoning the morals and principalities of righteousness) and less towards an imaginary big bad-ass. Put the responsibility where it belongs. It's all about the onslaught of obscene wealth, power-mongering, and greed. Materialism is out of control.

 

Rehabilitation Nero.......

“I wrote my book 35 years ago precisely because I wanted to rehabilitate him. Maybe you could do more.”

Well. One is hard pressed to “rehabilitate” a man who, according to historical accounts, ordered his first wife, Octavia, killed; kicked his second wife, Poppaea, to death when she was pregnant; saw to the murder of his mother, Agrippina the Younger (possibly after sleeping with her); perhaps also murdered his stepbrother, Britannicus; instructed his mentor Seneca to commit suicide (which he solemnly did); castrated and then married a teenage boy; presided over the wholesale arson of Rome in A.D. 64 and then shifted the blame to a host of Christians (including Saints Peter and Paul), who were rounded up and beheaded or crucified and set aflame so as to illuminate an imperial festival.

The case against Nero as evil incarnate would appear to be open and shut. And yet …

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2014/09/emperor-nero/draper-text

 

Yes. I see that now. I missed that in the first read of the OP. Anyway this is a nasty bugger, that clearly hates Christians and Jews. Nero, Hitler and various others have been nominated as this fella. And the 666. I have no idea how that helps us identify him.

 

Those morals and principals come from God. For if there is nobody to answer to for the lives we all live, that would mean life is meaningless, and there is no good or evil, only popular opinion. Another words if it was popular to kill, than everyone would be bragging on the lives they took and how they are still alive. Instead of saying it's wrong. On earth, the powers that be who control, lie, steal, deceive, kill, enslave and whatever else that goes on behind closed doors, if there is no God, than people such as these have no punishment. Therefore the throne is what we should all be after, for their is no judgment. However, weather admittedly or not, good and evil was the knowledge gained in the garden. Therefore, the morals and principals of both good and evil, are instilled in man's heart. And that is what we battle against.

The part I agree with-
To many people are worshiping at the altar of consumerism. It's all about me, me, me. So long as we have our "cake and entertainment" (Romans) people could care less what world powers are scheming. The dying of thirst and hunger is meaningless, nobody cares. Their excuse is, "I can't control that, it's out of my hands." Or even the well known prayer, "God give me strength to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." The problem is everybody lacks on the wisdom to know the difference, for the truth is the most powerful weapon of all. Example: How is it that people that call 9/11 an inside job, to be ridiculed and labeled a conspiracist. For if indeed it was found as truth, everybody that was apart of it, would be tried for treason and most likely hung. The entire power structure would be demolished simply from the knowledge of truth (something nations of enemies cannot even do). If it was an inside job and never revealed, the power structure would still be in play and the liars and deceivers could continue their luxurious lifestyles, sending men and women to die for those luxurious lifestyles. I have only brought up the two scenarios of 9/11 being an inside job, because it was an inside job. Ever since 9/11, look at the path the entire world was forced to take. Not meaning to debate 9/11 just using as example.
Therefore when the truth is revealed, that alone will control them, keep them in check so to speak. It is up to the masses to stay on and report the truth. This to me is what was meant by, "The truth shall set you free". Knowing and holding dear to the truth, will keep those of power from lying on such massive scales and the following consequences thereof, stopped. Especially in an age of such technology that has everything reported in real time.

If we are to not individually seek the truth, then we care not of it. And a society as today, will result.

To put it shorter, how does spiritual wickedness gain and keep power? Deception, lies, manipulation, anything but the TRUTH!

 

I don't know how the 666 identifies him either? Where everybody seems to match it with the name of the person. I wonder if everyone has wisdom and understanding, or if it is something entirely different. Either not yet thought of, or being withheld from past biblical scholars, priests, and theologians?

 

He may have won some battles but, his battles against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places, all these battles he lost. He was of the antichrist spirit, deceived by the fallen one, and his soul (conscience, who he was) for eternity was the cost.

 

Not a very educated reply there bud. Perhaps next time?

 

I was reading through the New Testament one time and reading how events described there were connected as fulfillment of various prophecies in the OT.

Then going back to OT and reading it and trying to imagine if there was anyway in the world that I would have connected it to the NT fulfillment, it was clear, not a chance.

I'm a great believer in Real Free-Will. A mismanage world or society can descend into horrible Chaos. Look at the WWI or WWII or on more local scale, look at Venezuela, today. So I see these things as warnings of what could occur. I also believe that sensible humans, making prudent choices, can have a positive impact on the society we live in and when enough of us are using our heads, we can help pilot our era through our lifespan and teach our children to do the same.

I'm very suspicious of any form of Utopia. The most hideous of outcomes start with a quest for Utopia. Be satisfied with fixing what can be fixed today and be patient with the things that need to wait for the next day. If everyone fixes a few things on a regular basis, and minds their own business, everything seems to chug along pretty well.

I don't think we are living under the sword hanging over our heads by a hair that will be cut on particular schedule, destroying us.

 

You really are a sad person. Living a meaningful life is nothing to do with whether you believe in a god, It's how you live your life.

 

"Nero Caesar" in the Hebrew alphabet is נרון קסר NRON QSR, which when used as numbers represent 50 200 6 50 100 60 200, which add to 666.

 

I guess I'm having problems understanding you. I will just say that Jesus did not come to destroy the Old Testament, He came to fulfill it. By doing so, came a new covenant or testament. And all the law's of the Old Testament are applicable today, along with the 10 commandments. Some will say than it is ok to kill those who commit adultery and other sins that call for the stoning to death. Yes it is ok, so long as those who throw the stones are without sin. Therefore there will be no stone throwing.

There is no such thing as a fake free will, there either is, or there is not. Even under tyranny free will is there. It's just the cost could be painful, if that is what your getting at by "Real Free-Will".

When a society is prosperous and just, it is lead by their morals and principals. An individual role, that for the most part, goes unnoticed. To sacrifice or compromise them, is to abolish the lifestyle at hand. Personally it's rather simple. Good morals and good principals= A good outcome. Love, peace, and joy
Evil morals and evil principals= A evil outcome. Tyranny, murder, slavery, rape etc.

Well how does one define the good morals and principals? The Word of God. This is observable therefore self evident, throughout mankind's history. Aligning the kingdoms of spiritual wickedness with their demise, is ridiculously observable. At the time of their fall, the corruption, deception, and the peoples sins, were undeniably at their peak as opposed to the kingdoms birth. As with America today. People willing to exile God from the public. While separation of church and state is a good thing. That does not mean people have to come out and say, "you can't be praying on public property". The separation of church and state is for tyrannical purposes. To allow your fellow citizen to pray anywhere should be accepted. For it causes no harm to anybody. The corruption in America has never been higher. The acceptance of God's abominations have never been higher. A society built from God, and is now in opposition of God. According to history, if we do not change, a prediction of our near future is rather easy, and very dark.

 

One's life is meaningless without the knowledge of good and evil. For if one dies that done a tremendous amount of good, and left behind a legacy to be idolized. It is only with the knowledge of good that it is noticed. Same thing with those of evil. For the people of good hearts will notice simply from their good hearts. People of evil would not idolize or recognize such a good person. If they do, it is only for deception and a reason behind it, mostly to get people thinking they are oneof the same, mostly for power. For one of spiritual wickedness will not recognize the greatness of Jesus. Rather they will deny him, for He was to good to be true. So your argument does not hold water. For the most meaningful life was that of Jesus. And how many know that?

What is your definition of a meaningful life?

 

I posted a link earlier that explains exactly how 666 identifies Nero..

 

Yes, but Nero was of the antichrist spirit not the son of perdition. Jesus was God in the flesh. But the son of perdition will be satan in the flesh. Many rulers can have the 666 mark, but compared to the son of perdition, you will forget all about them.

 

I think you're a highly confused individual. What is good and what is evil?

Mrs Jones has a painful terminal illness and takes her own life. Was she good or evil in taking her own life to avoid more pain. Many Christians feel suicide is evil. Many feel it was a relief for her and not evil. Is abortion acceptable under certain circumstances, at all instances or not at all.

There is a general agreement of basic good and evil. There is also differences according to culture and religion. Nothing is black or white.




If I can help somebody as I pass along,
If I can cheer somebody, with a word or song,
If I can show somebody, that he's travelling wrong,
Then my living shall not be in vain.

Chorus:
My living shall not be in vain,
Then my living shall not be in vain
If I can help somebody, as I pass along,
Then my living shall not be in vain.

If I can do my duty, as a good man ought,
If I can bring back beauty, to a world up wrought,
If I can spread love's message, as the Master taught,
Then my living shall not be in vain.

Leave out 'as the master taught'.