Who is the Beast in The Book of Revelations?

Man of sin.. man of lawlessness? Is that the same as the son of perdition?

Josephus records that a man named John, the son of Levi, fled to Jerusalem from the Roman conquered area of Gischala in Galilee and became the treacherous leader of the Jewish Zealots in control of the Temple area. Also Josephus wrote, "Now this was the work of God, who therefore preserved this John, that he might bring on the destruction of Jerusalem."

Josephus also records that before this John of Gischala, the son of Levi, was established as the Zealot leader in control of the Temple area (there were three Zealot factions), the power of Satan was already doing his deceitful and treacherous work.

This John physically entered the Temple, presented himself to the Zealots as a God-sent ambassador; and persuaded them to defy the laws of Rome and go to war to gain independence.

He also instigated the calling in the Idumaeans to keep the Jewish sympathizers from submitting to Rome. He ordered the death of Ananus and the removal of the priesthood. After these atrocities, he became the official leader of the Zealot group m control of theTemple area-john held the temple" and began disregarded the laws of Rome, God, and man, and promising deliverance from the Romans.

Then he broke off from the Zealots and began "setting up a monarchial power."

He "set on fire these houses that were full of corn, and of all other provision which would have been sufficient for a siege of many years"

He deceived the Jews about the power of the Roman armies In possession of the Temple and the adjoining parts, he cut the throats of anyone suspected of going over to the Romans.13 He performed many sacrileges, such as melting down the sacred utensils used in Temple service, and defiled the Temple.

In short, this John established himself in the Temple, the one standing when Paul wrote, and put himself above Rome and above God, thereby taking the place of God in the Temple. All this happened, right then and there, and exactly as Paul had said the "man of sin" would do.

After the coming of the Lord and the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in A.D. 70, John of Gischala was "condemned to perpetual imprisonment" by the Roman authorities.

Thus was fulfilled Paul's prophetic and symbolic language that this man would be destroyed by "the spirit of his Jesus mouth and brightness of his [parousia] coming" (see Isa. 11:4; 30:27-33; Hos. 6:5; also Da. 7:8, 19-2.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Modern/2002_noe_man-of-sin.html

 

To have had any merit at all, all christians would have read it and come to the same conclusion concerning it's interpreted meaning...

As it has not and there are as many "interpretations" of it as there are variations of christianity... I can safely say it is indeed an inkblot and people see in it what they want to see.

And I won't dispute that it is the best selling inkblot of all time.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*)! And I thought I was funny. Ego much?

Maybe you should google the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy before your ratchet ass just summarily dismisses it.

 

Aren't we in the 21st century?

 

Pretty cocky for one who claims to be a slooowww learner and not well educated.

 

When we think about all mankind,... and the continuation of our species,... good is what promotes that,.. while evil leads towards extinction.

But in Gen 3, Eve thought,... what was good for her and Adm,... the evil was not getting it.
We call that Selfishness, today.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, (beginning with the Edict of Toleration in 313 AD) and by our gathering together (at the Council of Nicaea in 325, which fully legalized and then legitimized Christianity in the Empire for the first time), unto him (in the Holy Roman, Catholic, Apostolic Church ordered by Theodocius in 380 AD), that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,... neither by (thoughts in the) spirit of mind, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that day, (the Second Coming, 2025, [Dan 12:11-13]) of Christ, is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day, (the Second Coming, 2025, [Dan 12:11-13]) shall not come, except (in the first coming,... in The Universal Church of Rome, in 380 AD), there come a falling away (in the 14th century Renaissance),... and (second), that man of sin, (Mohammed, writing his Korah in 616 AD: [Rev 13:18]) be revealed, the son of perdition, (Mohammed's Allah), who opposeth (Christ as the son-of-God) and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he, as God, sitteth (in the Dome of the Rock: [Dan 12:11-13; Matt 24:15]), in the (site of the Holy Place within the) temple of God, (Dan 12:11), shewing himself that he, (Allah, of the sword) is God (of the Bible).

 

You're simply mixing 2 religious beliefs into one and pulling in unassociated facts of history to fit a theory.

 

Adam and Eve did not exist. In any case, Eve's action could be classed as another of man's traits - curiosity. Without which we would still be apemen.

 

Really! How is pointing out facts, being cocky?

 

Your using our Fathers name in vein, and than tell me I have an ego. Your statement is very contradicting.

 

That very well may be however, let's not forget about this.

King James Bible - Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

Mrs. Jones can only be judged by the Father. The personal relationship between them, is only understood by them. Although I will say killing is of the devils spirit. It would not even be a concept without the fallen angel, man would not know about killing. Killing anybody including one's self, is evil, for it cannot be done without the evil spirit or satan. Blood is sacred, it is meant to be inside the body, not out. Mrs. Jones is no different than anybody else. We all must suffer, it is a consequence for gaining the knowledge of evil. Look what Jesus did for Mrs. Jones. Laid His life down for the new testament of God. I would say Jesus suffered tremendously, and for no other reason than his fellow brothers and sisters.

Personally, I would say Mrs. Jones was being selfish.

 

It also identifies Obama. So what does that mean?

 

Accusing the church of killing one hundred million people is a serious accusation. One hundred million people is a very large number of people. In fact the church would have killed about 1/2 the world's population.
I'm not a Catholic, but your claims are ridiculous. Bearing false witness is also a sin according to the bible.

 

I have heard this same kind of tripe from my tongue-talking Evangelical sister.

 

But I thought the Bible was supposed to be taken literally! Now you guys go and say it is a metaphor. I'm so confused.

 

Personally I would say you have a lot to learn about the reality of life. You would have let Mrs Jones live a, perhaps, long and painful life. I watched my father die a very painful death, the doctor not being able to help him die. I was with my mother when she pleaded with the doctors to let her die, rather than suffer any longer. Both my sister and I, in your thinking, must be evil because we told the doctors to stop treating her, and let her suffering end. Would your god condemn us for that? My sister, by the way, is a practising Christian and my mother was a practising Christian all her life.

You have a great deal to learn and experience.

You wouldn't condone blood transfusions, the storing of blood for operations? Giving of your blood to save another person.

 

Its in "Vain".... Look... St Constantine killed his oldest son Crispus and his wife.

http://neobyzantium.com/constantine-the-great-and-his-personal-tragedies/

 

Good literature uses all the Language Arts in order to say things readers will understand,... so,... some things are metaphorically stated.

The reason for the metaphors is that the concepts discussed were unknown to the readers,... back in ancient times.

Like even today, many readers refuse to acknowledge Evolution happened, so the list of 22 species named and described in the Genesis genealogy are said to have kived for 950 years, ... not 950,000 years as these species actually did back then.

 

1. You aren't pointing out facts, but merely your opinion.
2. From Your statement:

Like you have it and other's don't.
3. Many faithful don't see the bible the same as you. 1 out of 100,000 may claim a flat earth.

 

Quite true even devout Christians have different opinions, but you know you are up against a real hardnosed ass when they declare their version is the only version... and everyone else is not a REAL Christian.

 

And they seem to be particularly prevelant on the Internet.

 

Well isn't that EXACTLY what a prophecy is SUPPOSED to do...?

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You are wrong to ignore the genetic evidence which says that, the first man,... (Adam?),... appeared 7 million years ago when two of the 24 Ape chromosomes fused together and man, thereafter, has had only 23 chromosomes.