Why are Catholics (outspoken ones) hated so much?

You continue to prove my point. You don't know anything about that issue other than what you've heard third hand and you know it, and even less so about how it pertains to the truth or falsehood of the Catholic faith (answer: not at all).

 

Oh, so YOU know ALL about it?

And what more do I need to know? Are you denying that priests raped children?

Are you denying, despite the proof, that higher-ups in the church not only protected these scumbags but moved them to fresh hunting grounds?

Everybody was lying about all that???? The courts? It was all a "conspiracy of lies???? Really???

 

Why even bother debating the matter? I've debated it a million different times with a million different people, who may as well have been your clones. It's not going to change anything because you're not coming at the issue from a stance of good faith; you are coming at it from a stance of preexisting hostility towards the Church. All you are interested in is cathartically confirming your previous bias; you couldn't care less about evaluating anything rationally, let alone actually making serious proposals to deal the problem you pretend to care about so ardently.

The only fact that really matters is what I just said. The issue does not pertain to whether or not the Catholic faith true or false. If it's false, it wouldn't be true even if every pope that ever lived was a saint. If it's true, it wouldn't be false even if every pope that ever lived was a homocidal maniac. So it's really all just a red herring. We all know that popes, bishops, and priests are and have been sinners. No one's ever denied; only anti-Catholics try to hold the Church to a standard she has never claimed to be able to meet. The only question that matters is, is the faith true?

 

LOL! Super dooper weaseling out. justifying child rape.... and I am coming at it from a stance of FACTS no matter how you dance around it .......

 

So if you know the facts, tell me how I might find salvation. I consider the matter important.

 

One side of my family are devout Catholics.. and they have been mad as h*ll about the pedophile priests.

 

And yet, they are still devout Catholics. Since when did you need the Catholic church to be Christian? Do you think that's what their god would want? Continue giving money and legitimacy to a church that continues to employ and protect rapists and molesters? Instead of simply switching churches/sects?

 

Catholics really don't do much evangelizing. They run hospitals and universities. AND, they make up 40% of the US military.

 

They love the church... You don't have to love idiots like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson either.. They are .. after all just people.

 

Yes, and that church is an organization that employs and protects rapists and molesters. You don't have to love those idiots, but if you give them money and/or say you're a fan or part of an organization they run that does some messed up stuff, then what does that make you?

 

I have listened to many birdbrain preachers.. and didn't quit the church or being Christian.

 

You are boxing a tar baby.

 

No kidding..........

 

Keep building up the victim-status. It might work with people who know no history.

 

Money, power of the leadership in other denominations, and the nature of religion all work the same way Nationalism worked during the 20th Century.

"My country, right or wrong" was the mantra that s well describes the matter here.

Each denominational church insists that their particular perspective of scripture is totally correct, and that other churches, to the contrary, are wrong to one degree or another.
The larger organizations are fair game to the growing smaller ones, which need and work hard to induce new members.
The church has bills, too.
So the congregations must grow an collect tithes.

But the teachings of each church are the essence of what the new member has been told, and its like s sales pitch.
Of course, the "salesmen" knock the other "products" and often attack the other churches as dangerously leading people to hell.
The Mormons are hated as are the Jehovah Witnesses because they are the new kids on the block in America.

The fact is that all the denominations, collectively and together add and inform, but are themselves very short of the mark, as regards what scripture tells us.


Matt18:20

For where two (people) or (even) three (whole different denominational congregations?) are gathered together in my name, (Truth), there am I, (the son of Reality, or the Father of the real world we live in), in the midst of them, (Truth: [John 14:6])

 

Its a competition for victim status.

 

We learned it from the Left.

 

"All the churches insist their particular perspective on Scripture is totally correct, when in fact, my particular perspective on Scripture is totally correct."

 

From actual victims then?

 

Nope, not sure where you get that idea.

It sounds like you are creating your own conception of what I am saying in lieu of actually understanding what I am saying. If I believed Christian views were correct then I would be a Christian.

Sure, but my mind remains open in the event that new evidence is presented. But just as I believe my views are correct, I understand that others more or less feel the same way of their own views. That is why I say it is rude to push religion "evangelize" on those who do not want it. Would you like me to push my views on you? I am guessing no, so that is why I make no attempt to convert you. It is an exercise in futility to try to convert those who do not desire to be converted. But for those whom are open to what you have to say I say evangelize till your hearts content.

I disagree, very few things apply to everybody and views on religion run the gambit and are in no way uniform.

 

Yes, from the victimized women who are now disproportionately represented in higher education than men and the victimized gays who earn more money on average than straights.

 

You say it's pushy to evangelize those who don't want it, but when I quoted Christ's words that Christians shouldn't do so, you said the verse was narcissistic. So it seems we're damned if we do, damned if we don't.

 

Oui, I'm batting 1000 today. My apologies, I misunderstood your quote... my bad. Think I am going to go do something relaxing and chill out for a while... I seem to be taking things way to seriously.

 

No one said anything about quitting the religion, but we're not talking about "birdbrain preachers," although, I don't know why you'd stay at a church where you believe you're being preached craziness. We're talking about giving money and social status to an organization that that enables and protects people that rape and molest children. Bottom line. Deal with it. It's messed up, it's unjustifiable, and you know it.

 

Good grieve - you don't know something? What happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNgU3ojwlCM