Why do Christians and Jews become non-believers in their God?

Sounds like the angst was from your sister.

 

She was but one nun of many.

 

Ah, nuns. I thought you meant your bio-sister. I heard some of them can get really mean and abusive towards children.

 

Well, if you think about it, why would my bio sister be in charge of me at CCD? LOL.

 

People leave their religion when you spout nonsense like this, you have no idea if their is a god , much less a christian one and yet you talk as if you can prove it. You cannot .

 

The simple answer is they never truly believed in the first place.

They may have believed in an entity called called but they never followed Him or allowed Him into their lives.

Satan believes in God also and knows the Bible better then any human ever will but that doesn't make him a follower.

Most of these people expect some sort of payoff for being a Christian and when it doesn't happen they give up and move on.

Going to Church or volunteering means absolutely nothing if you aren't doing it for God.

 

Maybe some of us were taught that there is no pleasing god, only displeasing, and there is only punishment.

Pleasing god merely means no punishment.

**** that god. Seriously.

 

The Argument from Evil is not why I abandoned Christianity, but it remains a strong argument and one that Christians have not really developed any good responses to, frankly.

 

Sin is an interesting thing. People usually equate sin as something monumental. While their are monumental sins, most sins are not. They are simple things like coveting something someone has. Like a car or house or just a nice pair of shoes. Maybe we said something to someone and it hurt their feelings. Maybe we cut in line. It could be we simply didn't work as hard for our income that we should have. Maybe we said something derogatory about a belief someone has demeaning their religious practice. It could be being slothful or lazy. Many every day things that we generally call life that we don't equate with sins or transgressions. Those are made up stuff when we confess our sins. Different churches have different ways to handle those things. It's not a ritual or ordinance is a better term.

Interesting that the friends and family get great value from their choice to believe. What are those values they receive? I know if we became more Christlike specifically with the beattitudes. Or followed the teachings from Proverbs. Or understood the parables Christ taught and put them to good use. Like the unprofitable servant. Hiding their talents from not only the Lord but from others. The servant that through risk and hard work grew his 5 talents to 10 talents. His lord kept some of that (probably 10%) for his own use such as feeding the poor and the needy. Along with doing likewise for himself. Like wise the one who received 2 talents and doubled their worth. But, the servant who was given 1 talent hid his talent because he didn't like the idea of his lord earning money from his efforts. He was the unprofitable employee. Hated his boss and didn't want to contribute to his bosses success so his boss could also eat and give to the poor and the needy with abundance as well. It takes money to do anything in this world. Including running a business and a church. I assume you are speaking of the Catholic Church that has all that wealth. It's because they are a world-wide church. Their are other world-wide churches that also have accumulated great wealth. The question is, what do they do with it and why do they do it? I assume that some might attempt to accumulate political power. That is true. In the past, that was quite true. Not so much anymore. Communism has creeped in to many of those countries that the Catholic Church once ruled and communism is apposed to religion. They do have a world wide social service welfare organization that other churches use because they are responsible and get the assistance to where it should be without added costs. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints uses Catholic Social Services to get food, clothing and other necessities of life in times of famine and disasters around the world. So do other world wide churches. And, most of the time its to socialist third world countries.

Your last statement is puzzling. God does not support slavery and murder. Not sure what you are talking about. He supports repentance from slavery and murder.

 

Then answer it without knowing and understanding God's plan and what his purpose is. All belief has to have a foundation. That foundation is knowing, believing and having a firm testimony of what God's plan is. The reason people become non-believers is they lose their understanding of God's plan for then and for everyone. They replace God's plan for another plan usually for themselves. They become prideful, selfish and devilish. To them, they first believe they are happier. But, in the end, they find out wickedness was never happiness. God's Plan of Happiness is the only true eternal happiness.

 

You have judged every person who believes in God. You say those words but your name calling of those who believe is judging.

 

Were I a true believer, I would have to stone to death anyone who works on the Sabbath.

The bible also instructs slaves to be obedient to their masters.

 

That's because I did something you don't have the courage to do.

I actually studied the gospels. When I say study, I mean collegiate level. I don't mean read a few passages and then slap each other on the back to puff each other up like in bible study.

I mean comparative analysis using the original works and not the lying King Joke Vision.

There are hundreds of conflicts and contradictions in the four gospels, so much so that they discredit each other.

You'll never seen them in the King Joke Vision, because the "translators" lie.

For example, Mark and Matthew both relate a story of the Jesus-thing casting out demons. But, in one story it's one man in one particular town about 3 miles from the Sea of Galilee, and in the other it is two men in a totally different town about 28 miles from the Sea of Galiliee.

In order to deceive you, the "translators" of the King Joke Vision claim both stories occurred in a totally different town about 15 miles from the Sea of Galilee.

I also studied the Old Testament texts, but not Codex Leningradis, instead of the flawed King Joke Vision.

Because you have never studied the texts, you don't understand that the sole function of the J writer is to justify Judah as the heir of Israel when in fact it is Ephraim who is the true heir of Israel.

Because you've never studied the "mythologies" of the older Mesopotamian civilizations, you aren't aware that the mytho-history in Genesis is just a poorly plagiarized copy of older more authentic works.

For example, the story of Sodom & Gomorrah predates the Hebrews by 1,000 years but it is about destroying the armies in those cities that were attacking one of the empires. The Hebrews managed to turn it into a morality play.

Your lack of education is so poor you don't even understand the word s-t-n is a Sumerian-Akkadian loanword that means "the accuser,"

You don't even understand that Job was written thousands of years before the Hebrews existed and that they changed parts of the story to fit the political, social and cultural situation.

You don't even understand that the reason that no one can find any historical references to X-Moses is because "moses" is an Egyptian word rendered as m-s-s and that it means "emanted from" and that it was always --without fail -- prefixed with the name of a deity such as:

Dedumoses/Dedemoses (Dedu)
Ptahmoses (Ptah)
Amenmoses (Amen)
Anmoses (An)
Tutmoses (Toth)
Ankhmoses (Ankh)
Rameses (Ra)
etc etc etc

When we find the original E text, we will know the real name of X-Moses.

The fanatical Yahweh-thing zealots Hilkiah and Jeremiah found the name of the Egyptian deity prefixing X-Moses to be offensive to the Yahweh=thing, so they simply hacked off the prefix.

I'd venture to guess the real name of X-Moses was Amenmoses.

It conforms to the dates of the Non-Exodus-that-never-happened.

You don't even realize that all the names of the members of the tribes of Reuben, Simeon and Levi are exclusively Egyptian while the names of all other tribes are exclusively Canaanite in origin.

You don't even understand that Classical Biblical Hebrew is the Ugarit dialiect of Aramaic without the case endings (locative, vocative, nominative, accusative, dative, genitive, instrumental etc).

Since Ugarit was totally annihilated and never inhabited again, the only possible way the Hebrews could speak the Ugarit dialect is if they had always lived in Canaan next to Ugarit and were never in Egypt.

 

If it is the law that you cannot own a car that produces too much CO2, you would be subject to the consequences. Perhaps in China, you would have to go to the concentration camps, be a slave to them and perhaps even be executed. Especially is you refused to do the slave work. The law at the time of Moses for a short time was to stone to death a sabbath breaker. It was the law THEN. It's not the law now. As far as what to do about those who are enslaved, for their lives sakes, it's good council for the slave to obey their master. Until the law is changed by either the legal leaders or by war or both, it's good council to be a good slave. Just like it's good council to tell inmates at a jail, keep your nose clean and follow orders. Jesus came along and asked if people would get their ox out of the mire on the sabbath. So, while he taught to observe the sabbath, he didn't condemn anyone to death for working on the sabbath either. Ignorance is bliss for you.

 

Where is the bible law expiration date book? I missed that in the bible studies classes I took for about eight years. There is nothing in the Sabbath law that says, "this law expires in the year 1400 AD."

 

Aggg...here is another so-called brainiac that is a hifalutin prideful person that looks down upon all those with even greater university studies and experience that disagree with him. It's always easy to recognize the hardened heart towards God when they write as if they themselves are the ultimate authoritarian. The downfall of many civilizations is the same hifalutin pride cycle of man. Yes, there are apparent contradictions. But, are there? You can't even finish your post without a contradiction in plain English. You first write that Reuben, Simeon and Levi's names are exclusively Egyptian. Then you write the other 9 brother's names are exclusively Canaanite. Then you contradict this by saying the Hebrews, including Jacob (Israel) were NEVER in Egypt. How is that if 3 brothers names were Egyptian? Oops! You also condemn Jesus Christ as well. Well, If we expect that each other gospel writers are going to give us Jesus’ words verbatim, we’re holding the gospels to a historical standard that no other historical document would be able to meet—classical or modern. Remember, no one was standing around Jesus with an Iphone.
When you realize that the gospels were written in Greek, the fact that Jesus probably spoke Aramaic becomes very significant. This means that most of his words had to be translated into Greek—making every quote an interpretation. Languages don’t necessarily have equivalent words or phrases to make translating one vocabulary into another a trouble-free endeavor. Each gospel writer had to interpret Jesus’ words and sayings in order to find equivalents in an entirely different language. Translation is interpretation. This is one of the reasons that scholars have long held that we have Jesus’ “authentic voice” rather than his “exact words." We can trust the essential meaning of the words attributed to Jesus in the gospels even though we can’t know precisely what words Jesus used.

As far as Moses and not much about him exists historically outside the Bible, that doesn't mean he didn't exist nor the exodus either. The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence. Perhaps the Pharaoh did stricken any record of Moses from Egypt history. Who knows and who cares. I do know Moses lived, Jesus lived and they are who they are in the Bible. 3 miles or 28 miles. Who knows if they were talking about the same town or different towns. And, what does it care if the interpreters or translators for the King James Version made it one town for simplicity rather than writing two separate accounts? Was that the purpose of the event(s)? No. You are focused on the wrong things. It's you who is the Joke.

 

Not the law. The punishment has changed. That's why Jesus gave the statement about the ox in the mire. Good grief. Were you sleeping that day

 

So only Jewish people are required to commit murder and obey their owners?

 

If they follow their law, they would be required to stone the sabbath breakers. But, in most countries, it's against the law of the land to do so. And, in most countries, there is no slavery. Did you eat something that is upsetting your tummy today? You are way off...And why do you call meeting out punishment for lawbreakers, "Murder?" It's not. Anymore than capital punishment for taking another's life is today.

 

So they are breaking god's law. Understood.

If I knew hell was the punishment for disobeying god, I'd do everything in my power to obey, even if it meant becoming a martyr, because that is what is required.

Nowhere in the bible does it say, "compromise my commands to get along and stay alive."

 

I grew up Christian. You might have called me a passive Christian or lukewarm Christian. I was Christian because my parents raised me to be Christian. I was never a fan of sitting in church pews. But when challenged online in around 2006 and my awakening was accelerated in 2012, I found myself unable to defend my beliefs and was comfortable with "I don't know what I am". After reading the Bible in 2015-2016, I considered myself an atheist. This year after going through an existential crisis, I became a spiritual free thinker.

I still don't believe in God as described in the Bible. For a number of reasons: the book contradicts science and history, the book does not inspire me to serve God, the book has bizarre metaphoric imagery (Revelation and Daniel) that doomsayers like William Miller and Charles Taze Russell find codes in to set end dates, the God of the Bible has an exclusive elect that will obtain salvation and nobody else will, and finally the book sets me up to fail by setting up impossible standards.

As to the question of suffering, as a believer I'll be the first to admit that I don't know the answer to that question though I can form theories. What I do know is that The Bible does not provide sufficient answers.

Out of those 5 reasons I can get into further detail for each. Just pick one and we can discuss.

 

Cougarbear....Bless your heart! You and I could have many deep conversations and learn from each other. Iron sharpens Iron. It took a lot of sincere effort to put your wisdom on paper, but I believe in this forum you will see more mockers than any sincere introspection. All the power and prayer to your efforts though!

 

Jake....these posters look at Christianity as nothing more than a Country Club. They either by choice or ignorance know nothing of Jesus.

 

I could give a damn about hell.....but I really look forward to heaven.

 

You made some interesting points.

What are the original works that you studied?

You do know that the Egyptian Empire included all of the Levant area to the Tigris River. Consequently, if the Hebrews were there at that time they were in Egypt.