Why is It SO COLD in the US Southwest? Did All the CO2 Just Go Away?

Just those at East Anglia would, as has been proven by their OWN COMMUNICATIONS....

 

"Minimum low temperature records"? Can you get ANYMORE RIDICULOUSLY DESPERATE?

No HIGH TEMP RECORDS have been even CLOSE to being broken in Florida this winter,and severely cold weather is headed there this weekend.

Try again.

 

Again, I say... Those who do not understand the difference between climate and weather should confine their conversation to the latter. That would include you, sir.

 

Oh, I most definitely understand the difference:

Any current weather event that supports the claims of the Warmists, is "climate".

Any current weather event that refutes the same claims, is, of course, "just weather".

As if weather and climate are not part and parcel of the same thing... nothing like Warmist BULLCRAP, to "warm the climate"....

"Again I say", post the results of the chemo/baro/thermo test PROVING the thermal retention/tranfer properties of less than 400 ppm. (.0004) atmospheric concentrations CO2, utilizing SCIENTIFIC METHOD, UTILIZING A CONTROL, and demonstrating PROVABLE, REPEATABLE RESULTS.

Please post ALL LAB NOTES, and PROCEDURES. I won't hold my breath....

 

Yet it was hot as (*)(*)(*)(*) here during the summer.

http://www.thorntonweather.com/noaa/consec90.php

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20937439/denver-ties-one-105-equals-citys-all-time

 

Republicans live in a (brain flipped) fantasy world of lies.
In reality the Republicans and ExxonMobile, pay a few corrupt scientists to say "global warming is (not) happening."

97% of climate scientists say that "global warming is happening", and no one paid them a cent to say it.
While scientists that say "global warming is (not) happening", are paid millions of dollars by the oil company CEO's, who fund Fox news.

Republicans are the ones who are paying top dollar, to get a few scientists to say "global warming is (not) happening."


The following documentary explains what I said above (and many other things about republicans.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSAzYWmsiwI

 

I know the difference!! 'Climate' is what they call it when any area is warmer than normal. 'Weather' is what they call it when any area is colder than normal.

 

Those who do not understand the difference between climate and weather should confine their conversation to the latter.

 

the planet could freeze over and the warmers would still preach there fire and brimstone. The truth is 1 good volcano puts out more crap then mankind has in it's exsistance. Mankind would have a really hard time destroying earth, even if we set out to do it. While this don't mean pollute away, we need to respect the land, but at the same token we shouldn't sacrifice out our lifestyles, make the poor poorer, to apease the weather gods.

 

You mean like the OP??

 

Again I say", post the results of the chemo/baro/thermo test PROVING the thermal retention/tranfer properties of less than 400 ppm. (.0004) atmospheric concentrations CO2, utilizing SCIENTIFIC METHOD, UTILIZING A CONTROL, and demonstrating PROVABLE, REPEATABLE RESULTS.

Please post ALL LAB NOTES, and PROCEDURES. I won't hold my breath....yawwwnnnnnn....

 

Link to current Australian weather.

 

Oh give me a break, we are talking about the future of an inhabitable planet vs a Fiat monetary system, which has little "real" value.

The results of a cost v benefit analysis should really consider that, dontcha think?

 

No amount of CO2 man produces could ever make the Earth uninhabitable. You are being a hysterical doomsayer and nothing else.

Civilization is not in danger from climate change. Authoritarian left wing Governments are strapped for cash and demand more money from their already overtaxed populations that is the problem.

Stop trying to punish modernity.

 

Could you link to where I'm being hysterical or a doomsayer? All I've ever tried to do on this issue is to have an adult debate, however the US right accuses everyone who wants an adult debate of being all manner of things. Therefore preventing an adult debate.

Again, please link to where I'm being hysterical or a doomsayer!!

We my opinion, and I'll refresh your memory, as I've said this over and over is that we should not discuss global warming or climate change (something I'm sure you'd like), we should discuss polution. We are having a demonstatablely negative impact on the planet, which will no doubt have long lasting effect ono our health and the health of our children. In this, yes, regulations are needed and have helped us past and present (use of mercury, use of lead, use of aspesdos to mention a few). Coal fired powerstation should have decent regulations associated with their emmissions, as people in the surrounding area have to breath.... air! Cars should have emissions standards, in the same way they have saftey standards for fuel tank safety in cases of a crash, because people who live around these cars, need to breath.......air.

Companies who discharge into the water system need to be regulated, because people in the surrounding area need to drink...... water! We need to eat...... food.

The USA's water systems are in a very poluted state, you need to be careful with this, becasue you eat and drink food and water also.

 

Sorry, I just realised that you actually wrote that! "modernity", is China's massive air polution "modern" and therefore "OK" or even "good"?

Also Silicon, "modernity" implies "progress" and I thought progressives (people who like progress and therefore modernity) were bad?

*Confused*

 

I propose using CO2 to cool the earth, if somehow we could concentrate CO2 into a solid, we could put big chunks of CO2 everywhere.

We could call it Dry Ice

 

Wrong, there is no compound that man can produce, that won't affect the world, if taken to the extreme. Mankind has already changed the environment many times over, whether it is polluting the land, water and air, killing off species, altering the landscape, dams, irrigation, deforestation, et al. It is pure ignorance to say mankind cannot change the environment, when mankind has been doing that since the dawn of civilization.

 

LOL, to funny to even comment on.

 

And my point is made. Polution control is key to our future, polution of the planet and its atmosphere.

 

OK. Let's consider it.

If I'm wrong and we do what I want we end up with less pollution, less dependence on foreign oil, more political stability. All good things.

If you're wrong and we do what you want, we all end up dead.

I think the cost benefit leans slightly in my favor.

 

2012's top ten climate/weather events. How many "cold events" vs "warm events" occurred in 2012? (Warm bold in black, cold in blue(How much $$$$$ was lost due to extreme weather events?
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[TR]
[TH]Rank[/TH]
[TH]Event[/TH]
[TH]When Occurred[/TH]
[TH]Event Description[/TH]
[TH]More Information[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Arctic Sea Ice Extent[/TD]
[TD]Late Spring Through Fall 2012[/TD]
[TD]June to October: monthly average sea ice extent was either record or second smallest for its respective month. Arctic sea ice reached a new record low minimum extent on September 16, at 1.32 million square miles. The total seasonal melt amount of 4.57 million square miles was the largest annual sea ice loss on record, equivalent in size to the entire United States and Mexico combined.[/TD]
[TD]September Global Snow & Ice Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Agricultural Drought[/TD]
[TD]Summer 2012[/TD]
[TD]Major drought gripped important agricultural regions across the globe during the summer of 2012. These regions included eastern Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and central North America. Wheat, corn, and soybean crops were among those heavily impacted; global food prices rose by 10 percent during July. The U.S. drought resulted in a multi-billion-dollar agricultural disaster-the most severe and extensive impact since 1988.[/TD]
[TD]USDA Farm & Food Impacts Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Hurricane Sandy[/TD]
[TD]October 2012[/TD]
[TD]Sandy, the second most powerful North Atlantic hurricane (exceeding 140 terajoules) since 1851, resulted in at least 185 deaths across the Caribbean, Unites States, and Canada, bringing record storm surge and low pressure in some locations. Damages from this storm are expected to be in the tens of billions and one of the costliest storms in U.S. history.[/TD]
[TD]Sandy Special Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Super Typhoon Bopha/Pablo[/TD]
[TD]December 2012[/TD]
[TD]Tropical cyclones rarely hit the southern Philippines; however, a Category 5 super typhoon struck southern Mindanao Island in early December, killing more than 900 residents and leaving more than 600 missing. This is the same region where Tropical Storm Washi hit in December 2011, killing more than 1300 people.[/TD]
[TD]November Global Hazards Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Northern Hemisphere Warmth[/TD]
[TD]Throughout 2012[/TD]
[TD]Land areas in the Northern Hemisphere reached record warm monthly values for four consecutive months (April - July). Much of the anomalous warmth occurred in North America: Canada was 3rd warmest on record for the period January-September; United States: record warm for the year. Many European countries and Russia had record to near-record warm summer temperatures.[/TD]
[TD]Annual Global Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Greenland Ice Sheet & Glacier Calving[/TD]
[TD]July 2012[/TD]
[TD]The percentage of the ice sheet experiencing melt increased from 40% to 97% from July 8 to 12, the greatest melt since 1889, according to ice core records. An iceberg twice the size of Manhattan calved from the Petermann Glacier on July 16; the second break since 2010. The glacier's margins have now retreated to the farthest point in the last 150 years.[/TD]
[TD]July Global Hazards Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Eurasian Continent Cold Wave[/TD]
[TD]January/February 2012[/TD]
[TD]Worst cold snap in at least 26 years in central and eastern Europe. Northeast China through eastern Inner Mongolia recorded minimum temperatures ranging between -30°C to -40°C. More than 650 people died as a direct result of frigid weather across a dozen countries. Parts of the Danube River froze over for the first time in 25 years.[/TD]
[TD]February Global Hazards Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Northeastern Brazil - Drought[/TD]
[TD]First Half of 2012[/TD]
[TD]Lack of rain during the first half of 2012 lead to the worst drought in five decades and resulted in "water wars", which provoked extreme behavior and led to fatalities. An estimated 4 million people were affected. Water supplies were threatened in 1100 municipalities.[/TD]
[TD]May Global Hazards Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]African Floods[/TD]
[TD]July - October 2012[/TD]
[TD]Over 3 million people were affected across 15 countries, most notably Nigeria, Niger, Senegal, and Chad. More than 360 people were killed across Nigeria alone and more than 2 million were displaced. The floods destroyed farmlands, homes, and schools, and caused outbreaks of cholera and other diseases.[/TD]
[TD]September Global Hazards Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Antarctic Sea Ice Extent[/TD]
[TD]September 2012[/TD]
[TD]Antarctic sea ice reached an all-time record maximum extent with an average extent of 7.49 million square miles, slightly larger than the previous record large September extent in 2006. By September 26, the Antarctic sea ice had expanded to a new record maximum extent of 7.51 million square miles.[/TD]
[TD]September Global Snow & Ice Report[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

And the harsh reality is that when the EPA (or any governmental agency) raises regulation on emissions, they give in the region of 10+ years to comply. Easily enough time for companies to do so. But, big USA business doesnt do anything, then with 6 months to go, feeds people the line that they can't do it and it'll cost this much blah blah. Of corse your costs have gone up you freaking morons! If you leave 10 years work to get done in 6 months, it'll cost you a dick and a bollock! Meanwhile, if you spread improvements over a longer period, they cost less. And all this time, the comapnies involved are making vaste sums of money, it's no coincidence as to the wealth of the Koch bros.

Anyone arguming against this simply does not work in heavy industry and has no idea how industry is or should be striving constantly to improve.

 

Lol we all end up dead ? We all will die whether we do anything or not , fact of life.