WISE Founder Teaches Muslim Women Self Defense To Protect Against Hate Crimes

No squirming here.

youve not presented a shred of evidence to show otherwise. Too busy with the irrelevant tripe you respond with.

 

That's because you don't want to know what filled her with so much hatred, or cant accept the truth. .

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/

 

Of course I do. YOU are the one who doesn't understand that my post 54 came long before your post 63, soooooooo not sure of your point.

 

And I stand by mine...........

You’re just avoiding to comment on this topic that's relevant in this country.

You're doing that by focusing on this urban myth that "all" Muslim men beat the hell out of their wives every day, and keep them bruised up & in hospitals.

I can't deny that domestic abuse is a problem in certain Muslim communities in certain regions of the Gulf States.

I would say that the two places where you will see the most offenders of these types of offenses is Saudi Arabia & Bangladesh, and yes, it does happen.

But again....you constantly attempt to shift the focus of this story onto what Muslim men are doing, and not the problem at hand - which is how anti-Muslin sentiment & Muslim-hatred "here" has caused a spike in Muslim hate crimes.

I cannot deny that domestic violence does not exist within certain Muslim communities within certain parts of the world. (as it exists inside of a lot of communities Muslim or otherwise)

You cannot deny that Muslim hate crimes have spiked in this country. So much so, to the point that Muslim women are now taking self-defense classes to prepare themselves if something should happen.

And one last thing..........if domestic violence in their homes is as prevalent as you suggest, how come they weren't taking these types of classes in the past to defend themselves against their abusive, violent husbands?

But then, why waste an ample opportunity to smear these folks even more, right?

 

Just not as many non muslim Americans who were killed by muslims because of their religion.

 

Since I am missing something here, please tell us which technique would have helped her in this specific situation. Watch the video again if you need to.

 

If your talking about the woman in England, then your right, not much would have helped her.

If your talking about the woman at Applebee's, she may have been able to deflect the beer mug coming at her.

If your talking about the young college kids on the Jersey Path train, they could have got up out of their seats, and kicked that old man's @$$.

But still.............my bottom line is that it bugs me that women feel as though they have to join a class to do something to help defend themselves just because they're the new targets.

 

Depends on their motives and memberships.

 

Freudian slip?

 

What we all realize, but which you try to deny, is that her religion facilitated what she did.

 

You know it does not take a women being Muslim to be a target for a criminal. It can be dress, age, location, or just bad luck. The reason for attacks is less important then the attacks and what can be done to prevent them. Luckily in most parts of America a woman can arm herself. 2nd amendment rights exist so that the weak have the power to stand before the strong. Dont be a victim for any reason learn to shoot and always be armed.

 

Oh, my. And a Freudian slip it was.

 

So, what are you going to do? Short of surveillance of every hate group in America. I'll flip it the other way around: It's a positive development that Muslim-Americans are rightfully defending themselves against foolish bigotry. The natural right of self defense exists for every human being whether they wear a hijab or not.

 

No, pig-ignorant bigotry from a violent knuckle-dragger is what caused what happened to her. The same ignorant bigotry that European Jews suffered. But any excuse to vilify a Muslim will do, eh?

 

Women are targets period.
Do you not think it bugs me and all women in general that we HAVE to take self defense classes or learn to shoot a gun because we are ALL targets.
I have said before that no one should attack anyone else. But it happens to women of all races and religions daily for any number of reasons so I guess Muslim women will just have to be like the rest of us and learn to defend themselves. So sue me for not jumping on YOUR pity party wagon when I, and every woman I know, has to look over our shoulders everywhere we go.

 

(Ask him about the appalling levels of domestic abuse in America-it's frightening. Maybe suggest he directs his outrage closer to home) http://www.ncadv.org/learn/statistics

 

Does anyone have any evidence that Muslim women are being attacked disproportionately compared to other women here in the states?

When you live in urban areas your odds of being a victim of violent crime rise significantly. I am not buying the notion that Muslim women are being targeted in the U.S.

If there was a rash of this kind of attack the media would be all over it.

 

Good catch Merwen, but we both knew that I meant Hijab, I just spelled it wrong....

Let me ask you an honest, straight question, and please answer it directly without twisting it to hell.....

Do you have a personal negative bias towards Arabs, do you believe most of them to be incorrigible & no good, do you believe that most of them have a propensity for violence, and are you hateful towards most of them because of the terror attacks that have happened over the last few years?

Or do you believe in judging people as individuals, and giving them the benefit of the doubt before you cast judgment?

Last question.........do you really think the picture of the Muslim girl that I posted is on some type of Jihad?

 

The problem with this is that you either have to be inconsistent or clearly discriminate based on faith. What about Muslims in non-Muslim nations? 1/6th of French are Muslim for instance. Do you let them in?

If so, then you're not at all changing the equation.
If not, then all pretense of it being a national thing dissolves.

 

I never brought religion into it because I don't validate that narrative the way all of you do.

By now you know that I'm not a practicing anything, but I refuse to give these people the credibility that they seek.

She was a twisted, bent soul that deserved to die, but not after taking the lives she took, she should have been killed long before that.

 

All good points.............

Although everything you said was correct, this topic is specifically about Muslim women that are being targeted because of their religion.

Due to the fact that most Muslim men aren't easily identified as Muslims here because they don't wear any religious garb, Muslim women that wear Hijab's or other forms of religious headgear have seen an escalation in hate crimes against them.

So much so that they have been signing up for self defense classes, which they wouldn't do otherwise, which is troubling.

Hindus & Sikh's have also seen a rise in hate crimes against them because the people that are attacking Muslim women are mistaking Indian's for Muslims, and attacking them as well.

The other part to this puzzle is that even though most of us have the right to purchase & own weapons as long as we are able to comply with all of the requirements......something tells me that any Muslim applying for a gun permit here would be denied.

In any event, I find it incredibly cowardice for anybody to attack any woman regardless of what her ethnicity is or what religion she practices, and this is just another sad chapter that's currently happening in this country.

 

You know what...................I didn't look at it from that angle, and you make an excellent point.

Still, it's really sad when people feel as though they need to put their hands on other people because they can't control their anger issues.

 

Yeah, it's sad. But scum are scum. There's also some people afraid and defensive out there, and that's what happens when for better or worse, Washington drops the ball like it did. For them to claim "George.W.Bush" is on our side on this, is hilarious. GWB was able to say what he said, and he backed it up with defensive measures for the country. He didn't appear, like this administration to be doing next to nothing about the problem.

So if Obama and this Administration feels so badly about the Muslim bigotry(as do I. We're not going to win the war on extremists by proving the extremists right) then Obama needs to get out of his insular view and start governing the country. Or if he can't, it's a top priority of the next President.(Which Trump can't do).

Honestly, if I had to vote, ironically it'll be for Hillary Clinton. I can't see Ted Cruz preaching love and tolerance.

 

Every point you make is a good & valid point, no arguments from me.

Also, this isn't a pity party for anybody.

I'm fully aware of all the attacks women of all races & religions go through in this country.

I'm fully aware of all the shelter houses that women are forced to seek out because of insane husbands or boyfriends.

I'm fully aware of the amount of rapes that happen in this country every year.

This thread wasn't meant to make any one woman's life seem more important than any other, and to take it that way would be wrong.

It bother's me if & when any group of women would have to consider getting weapons for protection or taking self defense classes to defend themselves from possible attackers.

But that's the entire point of the thread, it's not any group of women, it's one specific group that's been targeted more-so than any other (right now) because of the spikes in Muslim hate crimes that have happened all over the country.

I would think "any woman" would feel a pinch of sympathy for a fellow woman who's been violently beaten or killed, guess I was wrong.

How many Irish American, Scottish American, African American, Hispanic American, Asian American, Italian American, or German American women living here do you think have to deal with garbage like this on a daily basis?

[video=youtube;BoT2kNWqRLM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoT2kNWqRLM[/video]

How many Irish American, Scottish American, African American, Hispanic American, Asian American, Italian American, or German American women living here do you think have to deal with garbage like this on a daily basis?

[video=youtube;3DhK1H7U06M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhK1H7U06M[/video]

 

Yup.

Just what we've been saying.