WISE Founder Teaches Muslim Women Self Defense To Protect Against Hate Crimes

I don't need to learn about xenophobia and bigotry from your posts.

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Sometimes it is; my mother wore a headscarf to Mass.

 

In a way you're right - I thoroughly resent the fact that my culture and heritage are slowly but surely being 'stolen' by ethnics. Indeed, I wonder why you don't share the resentment. And apropos the dissembling about your mother's scarf - you know that's entirely different; Catholics aren't engaged in a land-grab and culture change. Also I said just now that I don't condone violence under any circumstances. Come down from the moral high ground now and again, Snakey, and have a bit of humility. Your sanctimony is showing!

 

That's just not true, Cerberus. Yes, there are Muslims who have done this - but let's not forget that the west has happily created these creatures in their own image, has fed and armed them, and helicoptered them from one place to another when the occasion required --- so the fault really likes with our political elite (as I earlier said).

And if proof were ever needed of the dirty tricks used by our beloved elite nasties about framing the debate and creating the enemy they desire, then you need go no farther than last year's San Bernardino attacks, which were blamed on a husband and wife Muslim pair claimed to be active radicals (later retracted). It was only after three different *white* eye-witnesses who publicly identified that the actual gunmen were three (not two) muscular and athletic white men than the media quietly shelved the story rather than allow the crumbling narrative to further unwind.

This is not to say that I disagree with you and others about the levels of immigration in the UK. It is far too high for a small landmass like the UK, and our city centres are far too crammed as it is - not to mention the general lack of infrastructure. But I feel quite certain that our political elite have purposely manipulated immigration in order to drive down wages to suit the liberal economics that the elite lust after. I also think that having a home-made enemy for the discontent to project on is another reason - as it deflects attention away from the real culprits.

This are the real reasons for such high levels of immigration, I believe.

But the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving and have the same strengths and weaknesses as all humanity.

I'll never bend to tolerate any sort of racism or religious bigotry and hate.

 

I didn't get riled up, that was a pinch of frustration mixed in with a dash of sarcasm, I rarely get riled up.......

You have to try to understand that I'm dealing with people in here that are already, extremely, negatively biased towards Muslim's, and trying to get any point across is an exercise in frustration that can't be measured.

For example, no matter how many times I provide them with links, correct them on religious or cultural issues, or repeat the same things over & over again - they just keep coming back with the same ridiculous talking points that have been debunked by basically everyone of authority on the planet.

They never seem to tire from letting any of these facts get in the way of repeating said ridiculous talking points..........over & over.............and over again to the point of infinity.

Glad we're on the same page.........

 

Yes they were, sadly.................but not by any of the women I've brought up or discussed in this thread.

Not by the millions of Muslims living in America.

Not by the millions of Muslims living in England, Paris, Germany, Canada, Spain, Italy, Greece, Amsterdam, etc. etc. etc.

I'm sorry..............what was the point you were trying to make again, seems as though I've already forgotten what you were trying to say.

 

I couldn't agree with you more, SL, our 'masters' in their abject stupidity have much to answer for (but of course, they never will!). I have the greatest sympathy for Iraqis, Afghans, and Syrians, and if I were one of them I'd be trying to get to Europe too; quite honestIy I don't know why they've left it so long. But there is undoubtedly an extreme Islamist threat, and the two shouldn't be confused. Indeed, moderate Muslims are as much under threat as the rest of us. We're under attack but we've been too dumb to know what to do about it. In fact it's too late to do anything about it, even if the intent was there - which it certainly isn't?. And recalling what Jeannette said recently about the fall of Syria meaning something ominous, it isn't looking good.

 

You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried, and when was race ever brought into this?

This isn't minority on minority violence either genus, and if you had bothered to "read" the original post, and the full story or follow the posts throughout the thread you would know that, obviously you didn't.

How about you go back and actually read through this thing from the beginning, and then come back with a much more intelligent comment, instead of the knuckle dragging:

"your a stupid liberal doing stupid liberal things" response we see so much from the IQ challenged in here? (just a thought)

 

I promise to give it a rest when you stop accusing me of working fro CAIR, Sundance........seriously?

I think deep down inside you love Arabs to death, and your just afraid to admit it.

I bet you secretly dress up in a Jebella at night, and dance around in your house to Arabic music while you smoke hookah, and eat lamb & rice......

Come on man your secret's safe with me, just come on out of the closet already, and let go of all that frustration, let your Muslim flag fly.........

Dear Lord you people need therapy.........

 

Actually there are a lot of techniques one could learn at those classes to help defend themselves, but it's sort of sad to have to even contemplate taking one because your people have seen a spike in hate crimes against them, which is the point to the thread...................just in case you missed it.

 

Merwen, please take a look at post #13, and then get back to me..............

Explain to me how all of the people you see in that post wearing their religious headgear are also all hateful & rebellious of the west, and the proof is in the fact that they choose to wear their religious headgear. (the way your both accusing the Muslims of doing)

Double standards much???????

I'll be waiting patiently.....

 

Sorry but I'm not letting you off the hook so fast.

The article didn't have to mention why the woman attacked her because obviously she isn't going to tell the police that she did what she did out of hate, don't be ridiculous.

It was registered however as a hate crime, so don't chicken out here, and rely on "exact verbiage" from the story, that's the cowards way out.

I asked you to tell me your personal thoughts, and you're still evading me, and you "STILL" haven't answered my simple question of whether or not any of these verbal or physical attacks bother you.

You still haven't condemned any of these attackers but your doing a hell of a good job at evading me, and insulting my valid questions as "tripe".

None of this is tripe, and if any female form your family was treated this way, I wonder if you would also call it "tripe" if your daughter or wife came home and told you that some @$$-wipe on a train just spit in her face, and called her a bunch of dirty names, or smashed a beer mug in her face, or punched her so hard that she got knocked unconscious on the street.

How about you do something novel like having enough courage to just answer the damn questions?

If not, I'll have gotten my answer, which would be you really don't give a damn.

 

It is sickening, and to your point there has also been a spike in Hindu & Sikh's being attacked because these brainless wonders can't differentiate between Muslims & Indians. (yet their all authorities on all things Muslim)

What's most disturbing here is the fact that none of these morons realize how much more divided their making all of us by doing these things.

These women go home, and of course tell their husbands, fathers, and brothers about these attacks, and what do you think happens?

They become enraged as anybody would and now it's that much harder for them to stay away from the evil voices that have already been whispering in their ears for weeks or even months about picking up a sword, and joining the cause to strike down "the evil infidels".

Muslims are plagued with nothing but negativity from all sides, and nobody quite understands the pressure cookers that they live in, yet everybody expects them to just keep taking this abuse & smile like they're robots.

It's a double standard that no human could pass, yet Muslims are expected to have some sort of super-human gene that can handle all of this.

Constantly making the excuse that they deserve it or that it's justified because of what terrorist do is asinine & childish.

People need to wake up to the fact that taking your frustration/s out on people this way is counterproductive to the bigger picture.

 

The ones that scare me are the folks that walk around with spaghetti colanders on their head...............true!!!!

Look, I get your point, but again, this "is" America, and we can't all wrap ourselves up in the flag & claim to be patriots & love the country, and all be for what the founding fathers created.................

Only to be hypocrites when it comes to religious expression or freedom of religion.

I admit that I'm not particularly happy with all of the political correctness surrounding Christmas, and a few other holidays because of the influx of foreigners in the country that don't celebrate those traditional holidays as we've done for years, but I'm not bothered in the least by hijabs, Kippah's or any of the other headgear that religious people wear.

What bothers me, to your point, is being solicited like the Jehovah Witnesses that come around on Saturday mornings.

Jehovah Witness people, please don't get upset.

They bother me a whole lot more than some gorgeous (and my god they are all so gorgeous) Muslim girl wearing a jihad walking down the street.

Sorry, but this just doesn't bother me.................at all.................in the least................any day of the week.

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Actually, whether she attacked because of hatred of foreigners speaking strange languages or hatred of muslims would be irrelevant to her charges. But irrelevancy seem to be where you go whenever you are challenged on the relevant.

 

I see some of your points, and you laid them out respectfully & intelligently.

Of course I absolutely do not agree with the illustration as that is the narrative from hate groups & right-wing groups from all over the world that have been created in the attempt to divide all of us. It has also been created in order to scare all of us, and make us feel intimidated by Muslims - which then in turn validates this mantra of them "really, secretly" all being evil people with evil agendas. (I'm not saying your part of any hate group, please don't get upset)

So we keep going back to the sheer numbers which completely destroys your (well laid out) argument.

Riddle me this Riddler.......

There are currently, roughly 2 billion breathing Muslims on this planet.

If the prime directive of Islam were truly to kill all non-Muslims, and set up Caliph's all over the world where Muslims dominated everything & everyone......

Why hasn't that already happened?

That would have happened a long time ago my friend, and/or they would all be engaged in this now...............and they would be winning because of the sheer numbers.

Think prisoners vs. prison guards type of dynamic. (same premise)

Islam is not a creation set upon the earth to dominate all beings, despite whatever versus any of us could take from the Quran that may speak about Jihad & Kafir's.

1.7 billion Muslims do not regard Islam in this fashion, nor do they actively wage in Jihad or purposely grow their numbers in some evil plot to eventually take over the world.

What we simply have, and what we're simply dealing with is this.......

A rouge element of suicidal maniacs hell bent on destruction, that have a penchant for killing & looting.

These people are absolutely insane with no redeeming qualities, and there is nothing "human" left about them.

They call themselves "true Muslims" that follow the true interpretation of the Quran & Islam, and their mission is world domination & subjugation.

They kill more Muslims than anybody else, and all that they deem to be heretics.

True Muslims that do not see the Quran as a template for murder or world domination (of course) get a bad rap, and are all subsequently thrown under a huge bus every time these maniacs do something.

Terrorists set of bombs, and immediately every Muslim in the world is now a suspect that can't be trusted.

The internet explodes with ridiculous fantasies, distortions & lies like the example of Taqiyya that you provided (which is100% wrong by the way) and here we all are........being suspicious & paranoid of each other.

There is no need to fear Muslims growing in numbers as there is no need to fear Muslims period.

The thing to fear is ignorance of which sadly there is an over-abundant amount when it comes to the "The Muslim Conversation".

Some light reading for you:

http://abuaminaelias.com/are-muslims-allowed-to-lie-taqiyya-explained/

 

All good points....................

I don't know if I would consider what's happeneing to Muslim women an epidemic or if that would be a fair assessment of what's happeneing, but I know this........

Anytime any group of men or women from any "tribe" feels the necessity to take their personal safety & protection into their own hands suggests a problem.

Now, can we call that "problem" an epidemic - I don't know.

But I swear to God, if my daughter was spit on in a train, or beat up, or knocked out because somebody hated her religious affiliations...........I'd quickly be sent to jail for haven taken care of the problem myself.

Check this out:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...crimes-down-nationally-except-against-muslims

Hate crimes in America dipped across the board in 2014, except in the category of anti-Muslim crimes, which rose about 14 percent over the prior year, according to FBI statistics released today.

 

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

 

Ok, fine, your all done...........

Myself, and a few others have called you out for all the squirming you're doing over this, and it's PAINFULLY obvious where you are.

Tell you what, why don't you just jump on the bandwagon, and go knock one out yourself, you'll probably enjoy that more than constantly avoiding these questions.

Your a real piece of work buddy.......

 

This woman had a very black heart......

I have no idea what turned her or what happened in her life that caused her to be filled with so much hatred but she paid for it with her life, and unfortunately she took the lives of innocents with her.

I understand why you posted her picture, but she doesn't represent millions of other people that would never do what she did.

I realize that...........do you???

 

You really struggle to understand your own posts!

Your post 38 : "Have you yet found even one example from the US? "

Your post 34: Like the other poster said, this was just a likely to be a Muslim man who knocked her out because she was not accompanied by a male as the Shariah requires.

Your post 34 was answered in post 12
Your post 38 was answered in post 27 and post 27 was directly addressed to you!

I presume you know that 12 and 27 come before 34 and 38? maybe you don't

BTW, still waiting for your proof that, your quote " There is no violent Islamophobia problem". which you wrote in a thread that documented in the OP the killing and attempted murders of several Muslims because of their religion!

 

The answer to the question that you highlighted in my post was no Jews were murdered in 2015 because of their religion. However several Muslims were murdered or had an attempted murder on them because of their religion.

What people look like (flaunt) is not a valid reason to murder or attack someone. The problem is not with those that "flaunt" by wearing unusual attire but with those that for some obscure reason have a problem with seeing different cultures - very weird. Why do you feel threatened by someone wearing a head scarf or beads in their hair?

 

You're right. I forgot about that. But they wore them for religious purposes for only a few hours a week.

 

Truth and Justice...............

I'd let it go with this cat because he's either heavily medicate, sniffing glue, incapable of comprehending anything, or just plain rude.

He refuses to answer anything you ask him, he evades & avoids, asks for things repeatedly well after you've given him what he asks for, and then never answers your questions in the end.

I've not only given up on him in this thread, but I know in all future threads he'll just give me a headache.....

 

Right, it is the symbolism of the outfits, or rather head scarves, which allow you to know that they are Muslims and that makes it, to you, understandable that men should attack these women You claim

However in response to a woman being knocked out I would say this response from you, your first in this thread

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=448599&p=1065974930#post1065974930

is condoning. You are giving a reason for why the person in your mind was provoked to harm the woman. That is without question condoning.

It is a provocative statement to you for a woman to wear a scarf as it makes it obvious she is a Muslim - and as such of course some 'men' will feel the need to attack her, them being big white blokes and all that.

I am though glad you now want to eat your words.

I notice that you say European, not Scottish. No problem for you then with white Europeans just those of a different ethnicity. I imagine though that like most with this line you will prefer White West Europeans.

Just as well because only in your next post you agreed that the problem was your own mindset

Making clear that you have this unfounded belief that your "culture and heritage are slowly but surely being 'stolen' by ethnics."

So you have made clear that what I suspected above was true - you have a problem with people of different ethnicities.

If you still do not see the comparison to how Jews were treated by Germans you are blind. Jews were of course a different ethnicity or 'race' as it was seen in that time.

As far as culture and heritage - well you wanted to know about Scotland - no one has stolen our culture. People who come to live here become part of the culture of Scotland, feel Scottish, vote in the main for Independence and both our Jews and our Muslims have created their own tartans - in other words, people even people who are of different ethnicities become Scottish - they do not steal our culture. Rather they want to become part of it.

As far as heritage is concerned if any one has taken it from us it is our Union with England.

I suspect for some reason you are trying to butter up Sly Lampost because this

does not go with the rest of what you have said above and as such does not sound sincere. I'd say there you are paying lip service in order to keep in sly's good books.

 

I stand by my previous post on this subject. Violence to Islamic women in this country is a foot note while it is the norm in Muslim countries