World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. Starcastle

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    It seems as though, Tx thought they could get buy on the cheap.
    Not planning for all possibilities.

    Perhaps, they thought they could just ride out storms. Or maybe, they will ask for American taxpayer to bail them out again.
     
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    Actually, wind is producing above what was projected. But please - keep spewing your bullshit denialist talking points. The agency in charge of Texas' grid says your post is bullshit.
     
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    Your comments on wind power were based on a 12 year old anonymous letter to a blog. And nothing more./

    You clearly demonstrated your total lack of any current knowledge. You even repeated it.

    And since you clearly can’t, and wound’t be bothered with making a fact based argument and backing it up, you’ve retreated to more made up flat earth nonsense. As if BS about mass starvation, ice ages was anything but the empty dystopian rhetoric that gets the dittoheads nodding. It’s just the usual flat earth empty rants and old outdated stereotypes and backwards notions.

    I am not the enemy of progress. You are. You’re the one arguing that the only viable technology is the one we already have, and arguing against progress with forty year old outdated rhetoric about ice ages and hair shirts.
     
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    I always get a smile at of things folks post :) Here in cattle, sheep and BLM country if you don't own a horse you will not bring your animals to market "OPEN RANGE". If you are caught with a gas powered vehicle on anything but a established dirt/county road you will be fined $275 dollars and they watch too ;)

    Clearly we all don't live in a city :)
     
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    LOL.

    I get it. I also can read. Most of the power failure in Tx was Coal and Gas powered plants..

    No need to lie about it.

    ...
    The grid began preparing for the storm a week ahead of time, but it reached a breaking point early Monday as conditions worsened and knocked power plants offline, ERCOT President Bill Magness said. Some wind turbine generators were iced, but nearly twice as much power was wiped out at natural gas and coal plants.
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    https://www.startribune.com/a-complete-bungle-texas-energy-pride-goes-out-with-cold/600024044/


    It's made bigger above so your eyes have an easier time seeing it.
     
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    Ed Hirs, an energy fellow in the Department of Economics at the University of Houston, blamed the failures on the state’s deregulated power system, which doesn’t provide power generators with the returns needed to invest in maintaining and improving power plants.

    “The ERCOT grid has collapsed in exactly the same manner as the old Soviet Union,” said Hirs. “It limped along on underinvestment and neglect until it finally broke under predictable circumstances.

    “For more than a decade, generators have not been able to charge what it costs them to produce electricity,” said Hirs. “If you don’t make a return on your money, how can you keep it up? It’s like not taking care of your car. If you don’t change the oil and tires, you can’t expect your car to be ready to evacuate, let alone get you to work.”

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...ower-prices-spiking-across-Texas-15951684.php

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/16/ercot-texas-electric-grid-failure/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewal...for-texas-electricity-crisis/?sh=1826643221b3
     
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    Well the crux of the discussion is alternatives. Clearly Texas was not prepared for even a slight cold snap and nor were their alternative power.. I don't think "Well myself" are apposed to alternative anything's I've always advocated for not rushing in to things until technology advances to a level we don't all realize nonsense like Texas residents are..

    This is a perfect example of over zealous dreamers putting human life on the line because they haven't the knowledge to see the renewable industries putting profit before reliability..

    Then again the WOKE generation grew up with fantastical media and propaganda, so for many, they believe the year 3016 and it's tech is already here ;)
     
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    and clearly not many live on open range and drive cattle

    there are so few they dont even make a TV show about it anymore

    what percentage of sheep and cattle are on open range??

    my guess it is less than 1%. maybe even less, even in Texas most ranches are fenced in

    I live in a midwest state that is covered in cattle pastures, I live one mile from a feed lot
    my state is also dotted with factory hog and chicken farms .

    there may be a few horses that are actually needed for ranching, but damn few

    the biggest percentage is working horses are at a racetrack...

    the smartest and most beautiful horses at a racetrack are ridden by the outriders
     
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    You may be on to something.
     
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    That has been admitted, although it was cast as a positive: spending extra money to weatherize against rare events would not have been cost effective.
     
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    Once upon a time the independence of the Texas grid was seen as a national security plus: a hedge against cyber attack.
     
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    Bottom line is that Texas just was not prepared for an extremely COLD WINTER.
     
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    In other "Cold Weather vs Renewables" news:

    Green Folly: Berlin’s City E-Buses Leave Passengers Out In The Cold…Diesel Buses To The Rescue.
    By P Gosselin on 17. February 2021

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    Germany’s capital Berlin was forced to replace some of its electric buses with diesel buses due to range problems associated with the cold weather.

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    Berlin. Germany’s fleet of e-buses had a hard time coping with the recent cold weather as dozens had to be replaced by diesel powered buses. Photo by Robert Radke, CC BY-SA 4.0

    The cold weather worldwide is exposing the weakness of green energies and transportation systems based on them. For example Texas has seen millions of people impacted by rolling blackouts due to solar panels being covered by snow and wind turbines being frozen still.

    The extremely cold weather has also led to transport disruptions all over Germany. One example is Berlin, Germany’s fleet of electric city buses.

    23 e-buses had to be taken out of service

    The Berliner Morgenpost reported some of the green electric buses operated by the Berliner Verkehrsbetriebe (BVG) had been taken out service due to range problems in the extremely cold weather. Up to 23 electric buses had to be replaced by diesel-powered buses last Monday. Ultimately the German capital plans to convert its entire fleet to electric by 2030.

    Hat-tip. Die Welt

    According to internal memos provided to the Berliner Morgenpost daily, the very cold temperatures were too much for the electric buses’ batteries because so much power was needed for heating. A portion of the electric buses were substituted by diesel buses overnight because they no longer had enough power to complete their planned routes. . . .
     
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    That's my point about America today ;)

    How many cattle and sheep are raised on open range, the majority of them.. Without open ranges you wouldn't be able to afford a hamburger!
    You couldn't possibly farm raise and feed that amount of beef on farms!

    I'm gonna end it there, I can tell this would be a very lengthy endeavor.. You might be thinking of feed lots where beef is conditioned for a short while and marbled, in small numbers for very short periods before market/consumption..
     
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    Blame the crisis on all them California liberals that have moved to Austin

    before them, it never froze there
     
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    Who would have seen this coming?

    Certainly not liberals.
     
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    Lot of truth to that Sir!!
     
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    Everyone saw it coming because its happened countless times before and nothing was done then by the Republican state either
     
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    Libs definitely didnt see this coming.
     
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    Beautiful up there!
     
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    I read the day before they were supplying 46% and that dropped to less than ten when they froze up. The energy they are able to produce are from the other fossileand nuclear plants. And one news report on TV had a helicopter flying around the wind turbines and noting how many were now leaking oil out on the blades so they are going to have to have major overhauls.
     
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    So Republican governors predicted that their antiquated grid system will fail yet did nothing. This follows major failures in 2011, 1998 and 1997. I presume that you will recommend voting them out for incompetence?
     
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    I won’t take that long. By 2035 gasoline won’t have any advantages to offer. Electric will far more powerful, reliable and cheaper to run, and versatile.

    And the boomers between 50 and 70 will be between 70 and 90 by then.

    Yes, people will still drive gasoline cars long after electrics are mainstream. I sometimes wonder how that will affect the car collector hobby. The motive fuel has always been taken for granted.

    But in the future there won’t be a gas station on every corner any more.
     
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    I'm simply pointing out the policies that dems want, would make issues like this worse because they completely lacked the ability to see this coming.

    Meanwhile republicans are holding strong with non electric ways to heat.

    Not shocking tbh.
     

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