Would you vote for President Trump's plan on immigration?

At one level, I share in your pessimism. The "deal" that Trump has was put on the table because it was planned out that way eons ago. There is a better way IF enough people would simply use their heads and do a grass roots solution that puts the left on the defensive. It gives everybody something AND it reverses the process so that, incrementally, constitutionalists get back into control of the situation. I'll give you the watered down version, but don't criticize it until you have all the facts - and the synopsis here is NOT the whole deal:

1) Advocate that we eliminate all the B.S. about "illegal immigration." We allow employers to hire whomever they want and get over the human registration deal

2) In exchange, all parties agree to a moratorium on all immigration for a period of two years. Immigration is people coming here with the intent of permanent residence (aka citizenship)

3) Those who come here to take jobs and NOT seek permanent residence will get a special tax ID and they will NOT be eligible for unemployment benefits, welfare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, taxpayer paid education, etc. Furthermore, states will not be able to use federal funds to assist them. If they cannot afford themselves, they go home

4) Employers will be given special tax incentives to hire an all American staff, take Americans off welfare, unemployment, disability, etc. Further tax incentives will be given to pay those Americans a starting wage 15 percent above poverty level

5) During the two year moratorium, we figure out what we're going to do with the 14th Amendment. Personally I'll lobby for nullifying it since it was not legally ratified. That being done, it takes the so-called "anchor baby" argument off the table.

Since employers are free to hire whomever they want, there will no longer be any laws forcing employers to hire X number of people from one color or religion or another; no more quota systems; no more forcing employers to hire transexuals, gays, straights, homosexuals, etc. It is all open - free market being allowed to work.

If you want a more favorable solution, put some ideas on the table. My ideas are not going to be implemented; however, if the people would commit to the idea and begin a grass roots effort, the final compromise may not be as bad as the pessimistic future that you and I can see by leaving this to self serving politicians.

A word of warning: That big government you're advocating will become your enemy.

 

However my donors tell me too.

 

I like a number of your ideas -- I really do, especially a special tax ID (and thus, a different official 'status') for those who come here to take jobs but do not seek permanent residence. I very much like the idea of a total moratorium on all immigration, but I would make it for a period of five years -- with only the very rarest of exceptions. Additionally, I'm wildly in favor of fixing, or, getting completely rid of the 14th Amendment -- as you accurately point out, it was never was legally ratified in the first place. But, then my ardor fades when I realize the unalterable, cynical truth in the last sentence of my last post, "But will that happen? Solid ice will be five feet thick in Hell before it does...."

No, Schumer, Pelosi, and the hyperliberal, rabid Left are out to stage a bloodless coup against Trump in the November elections, and right now I'd say they have at least a 60% chance of succeeding. However we do it, if we can get this damned 'dreamers' bullshit resolved quickly, our chances of preventing a socialist takeover are better. Not guaranteed, but, at least, improved....

 

We both know my ideas won't suddenly become law even if they are good. But what if it stops the nutty idea of giving a third of the undocumented immigrants an instant path to citizenship? Once you have these ideas in the mix, you have to think about the long haul.

Didn't Kenny Rogers sing something about don't fall in love with a dreamer?

I'm not looking to deport the Dreamers; I'm only looking to prevent their becoming citizens. Baby steps. We don't have to be pessimistic. We have to give something to get something without losing our road back to Liberty in the process.

 

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Looking at the images raised the question, should we build a wall or dig a deep trench? The trench could be used to store/distribute water and maybe even provide a way to reduce periodic flooding of the Mississippi.

Not to mention reduce/eliminate tunneling.

 

I am glad that they are pushing for the merit based point system such as Canada has. The wall is still stupid though.

 

I would vote no because we can't afford the wall. The rest of it is fine.

 

The costs of such excavation would dwarf even those of building a wall, especially considering that the trenches would have to be wide enough to deter bridging.

I can't see any benefit to flooding problems on the Mississippi River, because it is about 700 miles away from the Mexican border at its closest point. The Rio Grande River does have flooding epsodes, but those are somewhat rare. Most months, even as far 'upstream' as El Paso, Texas, you can simply walk across the river and barely get your socks wet.

No, honestly, I still say that the best way to secure the border is with armed reconnaissance drones, which would be easy to "fly" from any police control point with a satellite interface. Plus, strategically-placed land mines -- located very specifically in areas where there is a high probability of illegal crossings (with lots of posted warnings, of course, in a half-dozen languages).

 

I am pleased to report the YES group is overwhelming the no group.

 

We can't afford a wall? Seems to me we can't afford not to have the wall.

 

Drones are so good, they now can detect humans and follow humans and report where they are.

Other larger drones nail terrorists and use missiles to kill them. I wager if more Mexicans were killed by missiles, the word would spread like wildfire and cure our border problem in short order.

 

A person should at least TRY to learn on a topic before posting. President Trump has stated MANY, MANY, MANY times there is no need to build a wall the entire length of the border due to natural barriers.

 

I guess Obama missed a great chance to resolve the illegal immigration issue with all those shovel ready jobs he mentioned.

 

Were this up to me, I would post along the border stations with guards that have at least the .50 cal machine gun. To keep the Mexicans on their toes, I would fire into Mexico at odd times to rattle the Mexicans. Saves money on the wall where the wall is very hard to install.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^ a winner. Great post for today.

 

Where in MY post did I imply building or doing ANYTHING the entire length or the border. What I was suggesting was extending something more akin to the 'natural' barrier rather than a wall which could be scaled or tunneled under.
I fully understand the topic, try to comprehend the post you respond to before posting.

 

Regardless of the cost, the wall is an investment in our future by controlling social program costs of government upon future generations.

 

How many dreamers?

And what happens to the adults who brought the dreamers here?

I want to limit the dreamers to a soecifuc number

And I want the parents of dreamers deported

 

I would agree with you if I thought the wall would fix the problem. I don't think it will. It is just spending.

 

I am expecting the Trump administration to release information on cures for many
diseases that will both increase longevity as well as quality of life up into old age.


Cancer cells.....cannot survive in the presence of high levels of oxygen

 

I wish it were never necessary to have to use deadly force against anyone who illegally invades our country, Robert. But, if they deliberately continue to barge in here illegally, what choice do we have? We can either go on putting up with it, or we must use real deterrence and lethal force to stop it!

I grew up in Texas, and I have great respect and admiration for much that is part of "Latino" culture. Many of those old families in the Southwest were in this country from back in the Spanish land-grant days -- far, far earlier than my German ancestors got here just a little over a hundred years ago. If they are CITIZENS of this country, they have every bit as much right to be here as I do!

My big bitch is not (NOT) with "Mexicans" or any 'Latino' person, per se. No, my big bitch is with any and ALL illegal aliens, I don't where they came from!

 

LOL god I can only hope and pray that this is one of Putin boys and not an American who is talking about killing men women and children near the Trump wall.

I still can remember how I feel about the guards on the Berlin wall that would shoot Germans down trying to cross that border for around fifty years.

It is going to take generations to live down the shame of having Trump as president.

Too bad that it is unlikely that most of these postings are anything but real Americans.

 

Links to youtube would be helpful as I do not remember him promoting anything but a solid ocean to ocean wall.

 

Would you care to name one terrorist that was Mexican and came over with the mission of killing Americans?